Zilean.....

SEKAI··2 votes·759 views

Underwhelming is an understatement, he just feels generally useless outside of his ulti and some very specific scenarios.

Sure his W is epic, but considering his Q and E are both quite weak, it really doesn't mean much to have a strong self peel like W (not to mention it can't even be used to proc R).

I mean, his only damage, Q is unreliable and has a huge delay, and any meaningful and somewhat instant damage would also mean gigantic mana use from QWQ combo.

His E is just really meh because yeah you can continuously slow a target/speed up an ally, but it just feels really nonexistent most of the time due to his complete absence of any strong CC or some kind of reliable mobility that almost everyone has in this game in one way or the other. And again, it's mana use from EWE combo is also gating him from doing anything much until later into the game.

The only thing reliable about this man is his R, and that's a very cool spell, but that's all he has.

Can Riot do something about our time travel old man?

15 Comments

RIP Resonance1 votes

Play him mid. Land skill shots. His Q is actually quite strong. Not to mention having an AOE stun is great.

SEKAI1 votes

[{quoted}](name=RIP Resonance,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=h0Y57NGy,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-10-04T07:06:28.938+0000)

Play him mid. Land skill shots. His Q is actually quite strong. Not to mention having an AOE stun is great.

I played him once against Cho (in norms so yer unlucky I guess), got rekt utterly tho.

Because he's more tanky, has more damage and better CC than I do. My only advantage is a ranged AA, which is well pffffffff.

EDIT: Is there even a scenario where Zil can actually do good mid?

The Griefer King1 votes

Zed Yasuo Katarina

SEKAI1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Griefer King,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=h0Y57NGy,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-10-04T07:31:52.979+0000)

Zed Yasuo Katarina

I am not sure about Yasuo since he could just cancel Zil's bombs with his W.

I can see him winning against Zed and maybe Kat (tbh I don't buy this one that much), but really I still think Zil is handicapped because he pretty much needs to be a master to play against those 2 properly without screwing up even once, since if he does his lane is already done.

I still think Zil's best medicine is an actual proper rework.

The Griefer King1 votes

thats why you dont throw bombs into the windwall. bait it out.

SEKAI2 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Griefer King,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=h0Y57NGy,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-10-04T07:44:04.572+0000)

thats why you dont throw bombs into the windwall. bait it out.

How?

His only projectiles are his AA and bombs.

You kinda need to toss one to bait it out, and use its CD frame to keep throwing him. But that would be grand if this guy isn't so gated by his mana pool when his own kit actively encourages (or even require) spamming.

The Griefer King1 votes

with ion boots/tear and athenes you can spam that shit all game and not run out of mana. 40 cdr you can almost spam nonstop unibomber mode. bait the wall. hit your stun. hit the 3rd bomb hes done for. also hes not gonan have major kill potential in lane. just win lane with him and use him for his area cc in teamfights.

SEKAI1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Griefer King,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=h0Y57NGy,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-10-04T07:51:35.489+0000)

with ion boots/tear and athenes you can spam thats hit all game and not run out of mana. 40 cdr you can almost spam nonstop unibomber mode. bait the wall. hit your stun. hit the 3rd bomb hes done for. also hes not gonan have major kill potential in lane. just win lane with him and use him for his area cc in teamfights.

I see. Maybe Zil does work against Yas.

I just wish he can be more general in his use, he is just way too specific and unreliable by nature, and it's not like his specialisation is anything extremely powerful to trade for it (it only is until much later into the game where teamfights and deaths become really crucial).

The Griefer King1 votes

even in lane he pushes wave so hard. your laner will be forced under tower all game. with his e you can roam really easy as you will 1)force them out of lane to let you roam. 2) have them so far behind in CS and levels they will not be a problem because they cant get built. however. if enemy has a voli jungler, dont pick this dude. lmao

ScriptBrand1 votes

hes a very poor champion right now. the thing that makes him so bad is that most of his abilities are just slightly stronger versions of items that other, better, supports can build.

SEKAI1 votes

[{quoted}](name=TSM Turt Wildr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=h0Y57NGy,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-10-04T07:13:03.889+0000)

hes a very poor champion right now. the thing that makes him so bad is that most of his abilities are just slightly stronger versions of items that other, better, supports can build.

Yeah I mean Nami can just land a single Q, and boom it's more useful than Zilean blowing QWQ and half of his mana.

This guy imo really needs some proper rework, he just feels outclassed by most people in almost all situations, apart from some very specific scenarios like R'ing the tower diver during a teamfight.

He lacks way too much general power budget to trade for that 1 or 2 special cases imho.

And that's just supporting, his mage build path.... Well I guess his clearing is adept, and that's mostly it.

My ADC Abuses Me1 votes

If you think his E is a bad spell you are definitely using it wrong.

SEKAI1 votes

[{quoted}](name=My ADC Abuses Me,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=h0Y57NGy,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-10-04T07:48:45.278+0000)

If you think his E is a bad spell you are definitely using it wrong.

It's cool, but as I said, too much mana to be used effectively (and being somewhat unreliable in nature). That's why I said it's kinda meh with all things considered.

RisenDarkKnight1 votes

Yeah he needs a buff. His q is too difficult to land compared to other skillshots, and the double bomb stun is hard to pull off.

khorney1 votes

he is fine the way he is the fact his q is a aoe ss which i get is not 100% reliable isnt the greatest thin ghowever the bombs are such to land on other bombs and they patched him a couple patches ago ti speed up the qwq combo. you dont have to hit a champion to deal them the damage just know the aoe and hit a cs with your combo and the fact you have your slow really helps as far as landing it on champions or killing them under turrets

More from Gameplay

More by SEKAI