Any tips for climbing?

YOUGOTKILLEDBRO·Apr 16, 2017·1 votes·632 views

I am having trouble climbing, and I am dominating in every loss. Can anyone give a few tips to possible help me? I would recommend looking at my op.gg to see how I have been playing in ranked.

26 Comments

EndlessSorcererApr 16, 20172 votes

Generally, the answer would be to focus on objectives over kills.

While killing the enemy provides a decent amount of gold, the main purpose of them is that they allow your to gain advantages elsewhere. You have to use kills properly to gain a true advantage.

If an enemy champion is dead, they can't apply pressure to the map or gain gold/experience. If the enemy team is down a champion, your team has a numeric advantage which can be used to take objectives (i.e. towers, Dragon, buffs, etc).

Also, your build appears to be fairly standardized. While this isn't necessarily bad, it could stand to be improved.

If you are fed in Bronze, I'd recommend building more damage-oriented. For example, Abyssal Scepter and Liandry's Torment greatly amplify Zac's damage, so I'd recommend picking one of them up after your core defensive items.

YOUGOTKILLEDBROApr 16, 20171 votes

I think this is part of the reason I am not climbing, I do stay in lanes once or twice a game to get a tower, and I do try to call dragon and baron, but it is hard because bot lane doesn't always listen. I know my warding could use a bit of work, but I think my objective control is decent as is.

EndlessSorcererApr 16, 20172 votes

Part of the issue could be that Zac lacks the ability to really threaten a tower by himself.

Personally, I'd recommend you consider building Zz'rot Portal after your core items (i.e. Cinderhulk, Randuin's Omen/Deadman's Plate, Spirit Visage).

If you find your team is just randomly chasing kills rather than pushing objectives, you can use it to push a lane or take a tower.

Also, it might be worth trying Stoneborn Pact. Zac can easily apply it to multiple people and it can provide a deceptively high amount of survivability for your allies in teamfights.

YOUGOTKILLEDBROApr 16, 20171 votes

Will consider the ZZrot, I have already tried stoneborn, and I think I may go back to it.

Troy242621Apr 16, 20172 votes

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Will consider the ZZrot, I have already tried stoneborn, and I think I may go back to it.

If your team isn't listening, just start ping spamming the tower until they do, not worth building an inefficient item because your team is being stupid. This is exactly why I don't like tanks in low elo, because it's harder to take objectives without your team cooperating.

DreadlocksApr 16, 20172 votes

You can also help your lanes by giving them wards.. Consider your strongest lane.. They're pushed up.. you know almost certainly they're going to get ganked.. Ping them back tell them the jungler is coming.. And if that doesnt work.. set up vision prior to leaving that side of the map.. You should also be making a good attempt to counter gank. Esp if you are ahead of the enemy jungler. Keep track of his movements.

Say your bot lane is winning and they're pushing up and you just finished doing your 2nd blue at 7:15ish.. Run down there or towards enemy red and drop down a pink and a trinket ward to help cover them.. Then continue your route.

Making sure your fed lane stays ahead is very important as a jungler.

Troy242621Apr 16, 20172 votes

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You can also help your lanes by giving them wards.. Consider your strongest lane.. They're pushed up.. you know almost certainly they're going to get ganked.. Ping them back tell them the jungler is coming.. And if that doesnt work.. set up vision prior to leaving that side of the map.. You should also be making a good attempt to counter gank. Esp if you are ahead of the enemy jungler. Keep track of his movements.

Say your bot lane is winning and they're pushing up and you just finished doing your 2nd blue at 7:15ish.. Run down there or towards enemy red and drop down a pink and a trinket ward to help cover them.. Then continue your route.

Making sure your fed lane stays ahead is very important as a jungler.

Alternatively, just counterjungle and drop a ward as you do it. Telegraphs their ganks and gives you more time to set up the counter. Great advice, but he's already smashing games where he's at, think he needs to just consistently transition it into a win.

YOUGOTKILLEDBROApr 16, 20171 votes

Combing both advice, that is a good idea, and will definitely start doing it in my ranked games.

DreadlocksApr 16, 20172 votes

To some extent sure.. But at the same time.. if he's ahead then he should be pushing his advantage to its fullest. Missing opportunities are mistakes. So if he has the ability to not only smash in ganks but he can keep his allies from getting smashed then he can easily snowball his entire team from the begining and then the mid-late game isn't even a toss up anymore. His KDA is really good on ZAC esp for someone in bronze. So if the game goes late i don't think he really is going to be that nervous cause he probably already teamfight fine..

YOUGOTKILLEDBROApr 16, 20171 votes

To keep boosting the wards thing, do you think green smite is better than blue smite for what I am doing?

Troy242621Apr 16, 20172 votes

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To keep boosting the wards thing, do you think green smite is better than blue smite for what I am doing?

I believe item 1401 is standard on Zac, but I looked it up and a couple pros ran item 1409 . Guess if you feel that more vision is going to help you more than the extra damage and slow, it's an option.

YOUGOTKILLEDBROApr 16, 20171 votes

I have always been considering the green smite, but I guess it is a bit more situational, I like blue a lot too, and can't count how many smite kills I have gotten.

DreadlocksApr 16, 20171 votes

Definitely try it out for a handful of games and see how you like it.. Ultimately though you need to use the wards well for it to be worth it.. If you're just warding random bushes you won't see the value.. But if you see the enemy jungler ganking bot and you're top side so you decide to take his top side jungle.. you can drop a ward at the edge of his blue buff brush and then the one behind wolves that is close to mid (which is also really good spot for a control ward) and then your top lane is relatively safe and so is the top side for your mid laner..

You have to utilize it though like i said... I'd def watch some of the videos in the channel i showed you.. The info isnt as black and white as do this then this but you can grow as a player.

BALDG1VEN BOOMERApr 16, 20172 votes

So I looked through your OP.GG and was actually shocked you're this low. You do a lot of things above well for a "Bronze 4" player, I put that in quotation because I know you can climb.

So first off it's great you are focusing on one champion, which is Zac. Your runes and masteries are very good and nothing needs to be changed.

Continue playing Zac because you're winning more games than you are losing which will eventually translate into success. My suggest though is that you seem to play better on tanks than carries (Not to mention an upcoming tank rework), though aside from Zac the other tank games are kind of inconsistent but can always use some work.

Lastly I'd assume this thread was made out of tilt, understand that not every game is winnable and if Faker can lose 12 games in a row so can you.

YOUGOTKILLEDBROApr 16, 20171 votes

My thought process of creating this thread was instead of making a salt thread, I would just make an asking for advice thread. I have been keeping in mind losing streaks, but I try to take a break after 2 games in a row. Thanks for the reassurance on masteries and runes. I have been one-tricking zac but I can also play Gragas, Olaf and Galio pretty well in the jungle.

Troy242621Apr 16, 20172 votes

If you're losing games you get fed in, I can almost guarantee you this will help you dominate. Consider the games you get fed in a race that you can't afford to stall out because your team is full of apes. Therefore, run the map the fuck down as fast as humanly possible.

I see you main jungle as well, so I can offer you specific advice. Let's suppose you ganked a lane and the enemy died. Shove that lane out to deny the enemy gold and XP and to soak more XP for yourself, and if possible, take the tower. Reason being, as soon as that tower falls, that ally can roam to help shove a different tower down. Every tower gives your entire team gold and snowballs everyone, which eventually becomes an insurmountable lead. This is how you absolutely crush games, and junglers are great at facilitating this process.

Obviously there's a lot of more subtle nuance that I could go over but if you're already getting fed, it sounds like you just need to focus on transitioning it into a miserable experience for the other team.

GlîtchyApr 16, 20171 votes

What I see is that you're playing a MASSIVE variety of champs, here's what I suggest,

Choose 2 positions

Choose 2-3 champs for each of the 2 roles

Which 2 positions to do you prefer playing?

YOUGOTKILLEDBROApr 16, 20171 votes

I don't think you looked at my ranked... I am a Zac one trick. And play either Zilean or Naut when I am filled. If I try something out it is in norms.

GlîtchyApr 16, 20171 votes

Alright, so what do you play if you get autofilled to anything BESIDES supp or jg?

YOUGOTKILLEDBROApr 16, 20171 votes

I normally will try to switch out of it, and I havent found myself in this situation yet. I would probably go Gragas top, Maw ADC and Zilean mid

DreadlocksApr 16, 20171 votes

Check out this guy's channel, https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCusLiagMahN3-N2PeatcxNQ pretty good and honest stuff.

Ambient SnowApr 16, 20171 votes

Honestly best way to climb is to not try,

Been playing ranked for god knows how long, issue with ranked is.

" if you are playing solo queue, don't worry about it just play and have fun. The moment you start focusing on Climbing, that's the moment when you start stressing and getting tilted. just play every game like its a new game and just chills"

Solo Queue is seriously the most toxic, rage filled and so on queue in this game

it sucks because the ranking system still isn't the greatest so its best just to play it for fun and if you rank up you do if not meh .

but if you insists. some of the best things you can do is the following

Focus 2 roles.. since you now have to queue as a primary and secondary focus just two roles to master.
Know how to play at least 3 champs in Each of the primary roles you want . ( you may get auto fill games but most champions can multi role so yea)
Don't hesitate to mute ( most your team members are toxic. as heck and most enemies like to trash talk just do yourself a favor and mute)
If you lose, move on to the next, ( yes there are trolls, feeders, new to ranked, dunno how to play, non English, and so on type of people. if its worth a Report, Then report and move on. If not just get out and don't get trapped in the hate speech end game. )
Ward. Just do it like seriously the biggest issue is people demand only the support wards .
Stop Watching LCS's I mean yea they are fun to watch but know your place, If some one does amazing with a build / character in the LCS's understand that they play that character non stop and are paid to play that character. you are not, stick to what you know and are good with and not what you see on a stream.
Find Duo queue partners. No one wants to admit it but having a duo queue partner is a HUGE advantage in this game. Over my years every one of my friends that has gotten to gold has the exact same answer " I found a Duo queue partner to lvl with "

420 gramsApr 16, 20171 votes

Your scores are consistently really well, but kills don't mean anything if you can't translate it into an objective. That doesn't you can take a tower after a good 3:00 gank, but after a couple backs you should be able to take towers with the laners.

Even though you're really good with zac, he's not a good carry jungler. Maybe save him for when you get to silver (which I doubt will be very hard for you). Maybe try getting xin zao since he ganks well early, kills for him translate into more damage items, and his kit is great at taking towers. My best champion is fiora, but I got stuck in bronze 2 and 1 for a whie because it felt like bot would feed too hard too soon and I couldn't carry from top well enough. I switched to jungle xin zao and climbed to silver VERY quickly because I could take objectives across the map better.

Lastly, you only have like 50 ranked games so far, and climbing is a bit of a grind so don't get discouraged

muted team chatApr 16, 20171 votes

63% winrate on zac is great, keep plauing him and you'll climb.

BombzillaApr 16, 20171 votes

Plenty of people say just to focus on objectives and play safe. Well its because its right. But if you really want to climb, just find a champ you are good at and main them. After you find that champ, focus on the objectives and you will eventually climb. Low elo works well with this because once you start doing something right, the victories will start flying in.

YOUGOTKILLEDBROApr 16, 20171 votes

Sounds like a good idea, will add more objective focus into my game