I am confused why we are nerfing assassin items

YOUGOTKILLEDBRO·6/28/2017, 1:52:53 AM·27 votes·1,603 views

Assassins already have poor itemization, why are we making poor changes to these items? We need new items, not changes to existing ones. Champs like rengar and yi already build tank and some players ignore EoN, Duskblade, and Yommu's. Why cant we just have a assasain item overhaul like a class update with no champ reworks? It is sad when a lot of ad assassins have turned into bruisers because of poor item choice.

34 Comments

Dasdi966/28/2017, 2:31:23 AM28 votes

They want to nerf assassin burst to make sure adc overlords don't die.

Rengooo6/28/2017, 2:33:45 AM12 votes

I actually think the changes to Yomuus are pretty strong, it now gives 40% ms on activation decaying back down to the original 20% over the duration.

Having said this, over all the three items together just seems like an overall nerf, so much AD being removed across the board and duskblade wont scale very well at all now...

Idk.. Like you say, we need another pure assassin item.

LordForrest6/28/2017, 7:43:16 AM10 votes

Did you also see that they are changing how Lethality works? The penetration now scales with your level, not your enemies level.

Is it not still a nerf has yet to be determined.

WitchQueen Annie6/28/2017, 7:56:32 AM9 votes

Well... whatevs

I mean at this point (and its been so for a very long time) there's absolutely zero reason to play an assassin.

Mages don't need mobility because at 2-3 items they are walking AOE nukes. I'll take the trade off of immobility any day (if you play it right, you'll generally always be the first to fire anyways).

Assassins take three time as much effort to achieve the same effect as playing a Mage, they don't scale into the late game, lack AOE damage, and sometimes can't even split push because they can't beat the Top laner 1 vs 1. Half the time they have to blow their mobility to gap close, making it a null advantage. Not to mention, most of their combos are ridiculously unreliable.

You are literally bringing a knife to a gunfight. This is bows and arrows and swords against bolt action rifles and artillery.

Rainfall6/28/2017, 9:20:33 AM8 votes

better actives lower stats is how they went with mages and tanks now its assasins. riot please stop buffing botlane.

Critmaster Garen6/28/2017, 7:45:36 AM6 votes

marksmen still die too fast at the bottom of b5.

your item choice is pretty decent. the reason burst focused assassin builds are garbage is because you cant burst marksmen anymore with all the % damage reduction and burst resistance on them from items like.

item 3812 item 3046 item 3026 item 3109

and if you cant burst them, youre going to lose the fight, because sustained damage races is what theyre built for.

the only way to react to this is by building your assassin bruiser and building him for extended fights aswell.

id say the current situation is less of a result of poor assassin itemization and more because their targets have become bloody hard to burst to the point where bruiser builds are just more reliable.

Blåbæret6/28/2017, 10:09:59 AM5 votes

For the same reason they nerfed tanks: ADCs have to be at the top and everyone else at the bottom.

Vapor Wave Vibes6/28/2017, 2:00:01 AM3 votes

I just don't see myself building ghostblade on ad assassins if they're gonna take ad away from it.

Calabok6/28/2017, 2:18:49 AM3 votes

its not a bad thing

SpongebobIsLife6/28/2017, 3:48:01 AM2 votes

Seriously, they removed 5-10 ad on each item, and didn't buff the damage output on any of them, which is where many assassins are already suffering anyway.

DaNinad6/28/2017, 3:52:22 PM2 votes

I don't get why they gave more AD to adc's but are nerfing ad to assassins. ADC's had enough damage already for petes sake

-ADC Main.

Souji6/28/2017, 2:17:16 AM1 votes

yeah this kinda sucks

Sun Wu Ryuumoku6/28/2017, 1:49:49 PM1 votes

Its a buff. for my MonkeyKing. They changed lethality now :

Lethality Lethality now calculated based on owner's level.

just this is already a buff for most assassins. Then this

Except Zed, "all" assassins go invisible at least 1sec. Assassin needed cdr and are forced to build item 3071. But due to new build path u are forced to abandon some damage during the time where this item isn't complete (item 3067.

Common build atm are :

item 3142 > item 3071 >item 3147 : this build delay ur spike and ur "OS" potential

item 3142 > item 3147 >item 3071 : this build is the most common, but... u need cdr, without it ur champ is pretty meh.

Edit : item 3814 will still be garbage IMO

Shadow Hazard6/28/2017, 4:53:17 PM1 votes

I would personally disagree that the changes are a nerf. EoN getting health makes it's defense more universally good, especially paired with the point that many assassins are already building BC, the bad part about that is that is that we are going to have the return of bruiser assassins. Lethality scaling with your level instead of enemy level gives you much more control over your damage to the enemies. Now when the time comes that we have the return of tanksassins is when there will be sweeping changes that make lots of assassin, and likely divers very unhappy.

Fear the Kayn6/28/2017, 6:23:33 PM1 votes

I don't like the idea of Riot 'forcing' items to only work well with certain character types.