Evelynn's buff on PBE

Crett·Dec 25, 2014·1 votes·2,563 views

Ravage now applies on hit effects. It wasn't specified if it does this twice, but I'm assuming it does. If it does, that means, with arcane blade, nashor's, and lich bane, her E at that point has a 190% AP ratio

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Bataclan 2015 GGDec 25, 20142 votes

You guys are over thinking it. AP Evelynn will never be the meta. It died the day her biggest burst spell switched to AD damage. The evelynn combo was DFG+Ult+(optional lich bane AA)+E+the obvious Q spams in between. The E was so essential, it was your highest burst, even a aegis of the legion was enough to stop your other burst from being deathly.

I still tend to play Evelynn more aggressive than most players. I rarely go full tank, instead I tend to buy items like Trinity Force/MOM/Iceborn Gauntlet/Botrk/Statik Shiv(for real), swiftness boots with furor enhancement etc etc. Evelynn's kit right now is a bit to weak to fit in the current meta. Full tank she's just a bit too weak and with the build I tend to go with, I'm still reliant on being the absolute carry every game, i need that snowball or I'm irrelevant and I simply have to hope my laners did something with the 20 assists I got that I actually NEEDED to be kills.

I rely on offensive items such as Trinity force to enhance Evelynn's kit. I use the movement speed on my phage procs and Q's to run around the enemy, dodge the ahri charms, dodge the graves ults etc etc. I get sheen procs with my Q, and I get extra movement speed from the zeal.

MOM enhances my skill damage dramatically while making me somewhat tankier and enable me to 1v1 those mid laners. Iceborn is the same story as trinity force, I usually buy it if I'm behind or facing a really AD heavy enemy team. Obviously Botrk because of movement speed from the active. In my opinion Evelynn is all about movement speed, if you're able to stick the enemy while running circles around him to dodge spells, that makes you tanky as well as opposed to building HP+Armor+MR. There are exceptions like Annie, but that's when you tell your support to sacrifice his life to get rid of annie's combo.

Snowballing really heavily I even tend to build Evelynn like the crit GP we all love. Massive burst on the E going full AD, movement speed with W+Tinity Force+Q+Yoosumo's active. it's pretty hard to outrun those eventual executing crit basic attacks.

I'm pretty sure the on-hit buff is going to be really substantial, obviously with that last build, but also if you just build a trinity force. I would probably think about going trinity force + infinity edge and tanky after that. Going full crit when you're snowballing. Massive damage with armor pen on the warrior jungle item + armor pen from a yoosumo's. I don't think devourer is going to be a thing on Eve. You have to gank and snowball.

2 on hit basics attacks every time you use E, that's a substantial amount of extra crits every game. That 1% crit mark is going to be even more useful on Evelynn now.

Widder88Dec 25, 20141 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mike Huntiswett,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gx6mwEpE,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2014-12-25T10:58:48.073+0000)

You guys are over thinking it. AP Evelynn will never be the meta. It died the day her biggest burst spell switched to AD damage. The evelynn combo was DFG+Ult+(optional lich bane AA)+E+the obvious Q spams in between. The E was so essential, it was your highest burst, even a aegis of the legion was enough to stop your other burst from being deathly.

DFG active increased the E Damage by 20%. Rabadons passive does about the same consistently without CD.

And i don't think Evelynn needs that DFG-R-Q-E-Lichbane-Combo. She can have so much DPS with Nashors Tooth+Rabadons that she don't need that high CD Super-Burst-Combo.

I still tend to play Evelynn more aggressive than most players. I rarely go full tank, instead I tend to buy items like Trinity Force/MOM/Iceborn Gauntlet/Botrk/Statik Shiv(for real), swiftness boots with furor enhancement etc etc. Evelynn's kit right now is a bit to weak to fit in the current meta. Full tank she's just a bit too weak and with the build I tend to go with, I'm still reliant on being the absolute carry every game, i need that snowball or I'm irrelevant

You need snowballing that much, because you go for Full-AD. AD Evelynn rapes people, if she can autoattack them. But she has only little burst and ranged damage compared to AP. She has to get very close, stand still and AA for some time. If the enemys are ahead, they can kill her, while trying that. Therefore many go for AD-Tank.

AP Evelynn can burst weak people even when she is behind. She has more ranged damage (Q) and don't have to stand still that much. If the enemy stand still and actually fights her she has nonetheless good AAs with Nashors Tooth. AP Evelynn needs way less tanky stuff than AD Evelynn. 4,5 offensive items and 1 defense item combined is optimal for AP Evelynn imo. 2,5 offensive items and 3 defensive items are optimal for AD Evelynn imo.

Tank Evelynn needs always her Team. It is weak.

2 on hit basics attacks every time you use E, that's a substantial amount of extra crits every game. That 1% crit mark is going to be even more useful on Evelynn now.

Crits are not an on hit effect. E can't crit. It will only apply Botrk passiv, Nashors Tooth passive, Wits End passive, Devourer passive, Arcane blade, Tiamat-AoE, Sheen procs, Frozen Mallet slow and Krug's smite bonus, but no Crits. Like Warwick R.

Bataclan 2015 GGDec 26, 20141 votes

You do always need your team when you play tank Evelynn and I actually remember 1 particular game where I got blamed for going straight up tanky after my first offensive item (being legendary while my team was struggling). That's when I started going more Yolo. Went to buying trinity force every game for the added mobility and 1v1 ADC wrecking potential. Switched from a 21/9 mastery page to a 25/5. It doesn't hurt being as squishy as a zilean when you're able to kill your enemies first.

Jungle did become harder this season. I'm still unsure about the 2% of missing mana thing, whether it is a huge advantage or not.

I wasn't aware of the on-hit not working with crits. I instantly thought about gangplank's Q which seems to be an exception. The term isn't named too well in my defense. Tested it on PBE, it seems to crit but it doesn't apply crit damage, just regular damage. Sheen does seem to work wonderfully. Using your E makes your first slash deal normal damage and your second slash deal double. Applies the phage proc which is massive for chasing down people. Botrk obviously adds a ton of damage to the E, from what I've tested. I still think warrior is going to be a better item compared to devourer with the armor penetration and cooldown reduction with attack damage (enhancing all your skill damage).

It's not the biggest buff in my opinion but it does help her being more versatile. Building items like wits end will make a lot more sense now where it was questionable before.

I have checked your stats on op.gg. It's funny how alike in terms of stats we are while we build completely different. In that aspect you do prove AP eve does still seem to work. You even play with 25/5/0 masteries that only slightly differ from my 25/5/0 page. Cool man! Your build looks interesting and I might try it out later!

The buff might suggest you're going to get the upper hand next patch but I'm confident it's going to boost me as well, looking forward to encounter you in a game sir.

Skia AsteriDec 26, 20141 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mike Huntiswett,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gx6mwEpE,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2014-12-26T11:10:32.040+0000)

Jungle did become harder this season. I'm still unsure about the 2% of missing mana thing, whether it is a huge advantage or not.

It is more friendly to beginners who don't know to spend a couple of seconds in stealth if their mana is getting low. Otherwise is just makes it take longer to fully regen in all cases and make building mana regen less efficient since it will . Over all it is a nerf. Increasing her level 1 mana and reducing her mana per level would have been enough.

As to AD vs AP, I find AD gets better power spikes off early items but AP items scale better the more you have completed.

http://www.twitch.tv/skiaasteri/b/603148868

TengrichanDec 27, 20142 votes

It's like everybody forgot how shit evelynn's clear is.

CrettDec 27, 20141 votes

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It's like everybody forgot how shit evelynn's clear is.

I actually did refer to that

{quoted} while AP jungle Evelynn may suffer from a ludicrously bad start, IF they let that THING gET TO LATE GAME, it is as bad as jungle on hit lucian.

Widder88Dec 28, 20141 votes

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It's like everybody forgot how shit evelynn's clear is.

It is not that bad.

You can start at red buff, cast a Q out of the bush to line them up, walk behind the farther litte one, smite the red buff to restore health, kill wolves, go to blue, outrange the blue buff for some seconds, kill the rift scuttler, kill birds, then recall. Buy AoE-Smite and flask. When you kill the Krugs, attack them and walk into the bush and attack the bigger one, the small one will not attack you if you stand at the right place. Use smite for birds and red buff. Use 1 spellvamp quint.

Also possible is krugs -> wolves -> red buff -> birds -> blue buff.

IAM2FKINGKawaiiDec 25, 20141 votes

Just buy Triforce and warrior jungle item. Should be the only damage items you need on Eve

Sire HippingtonDec 25, 20141 votes

at that point you paid 5850g fro 140ap and no tankiness at all on a melee with no gapcloser, and you easily could youse the lichabane on a followup AA already... inless for the very late game, in which nashores maybe ats some nice power, but u honestly would loose out on defense or a dfg for that, so probably still not worth.

The meta will rather be devourer+BotrK

Widder88Dec 25, 20142 votes

[{quoted}](name=Don Pavoni,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gx6mwEpE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2014-12-25T02:01:09.849+0000) at that point you paid 5850g fro 140ap and no tankiness at all on a melee with no gapcloser

Evelynn can gapclose with her Passive and W.

and you easily could youse the lichabane on a followup AA already...

Yes, it is not a big Buff for Lichbane. But it is a big Buff for Nashors Tooth. Go Nashors and Full AP afterwards. That is is a strong way to play Eve.

inless for the very late game, in which nashores maybe ats some nice power, but u honestly would loose out on defense

Get Zhonyas and Abyssal. That is enough defense, if you are AP.

or a dfg for that, so probably still not worth.

E does physical damage. Nashors and Rabadons are better than DFG.

The meta will rather be devourer+BotrK

Nashors is like Magus+Devourer in one item.

Devourer+Magus: 80 AP 20% CDR 50% AS 25 on hit (scales with Kills/Assists/Monster kills) 4500 Gold

Nashors Tooth: 60 AP 20% CDR 50% AS 24 on hit (scales with more AP) only 2920 Gold!

Devorer will still be bad for Evelynn.

She should rush Nashors and go full AP afterwards or get Botrk+Warrior/Magus and more tanky stuff.

Poptart EvelynnDec 25, 20141 votes

The way the animation works it will only proc once.

Sire HippingtonDec 25, 20142 votes

cause shys Q animation totally looks like hitting twice? Eves E deals damage in two hits, thus two times onhit

Mirage NightDec 26, 20141 votes

I have taking her top lane a lot and with good success. I use an AD assassin variant build.

Trinity Force -> BotRK -> Boots of Swiftness -> Frozen Mallet/Rylai's -> Hydra -> Defensive Item

MahnigguhDec 26, 20141 votes

I am in love with eve and ts time i try a new build on her. with this on hit effect i think ap will be the way to go tho. Here is what i am thinking. item 3009 item 3091 item 3115 item 3100 item 3146 item 3116

Skia AsteriDec 26, 20141 votes

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I am in love with eve and ts time i try a new build on her. with this on hit effect i think ap will be the way to go tho. Here is what i am thinking.

If you are going to have item 3100 and item 3115 , you should just stack AP. item 3157 item 3708 item 3001

CrettDec 27, 20141 votes

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I am in love with eve and ts time i try a new build on her. with this on hit effect i think ap will be the way to go tho. Here is what i am thinking.

you forgot one thing item 3718 while AP jungle Evelynn may suffer from a ludicrously bad start, IF they let that THING gET TO LATE GAME, it is as bad as jungle on hit lucian. and if you want to know what jungle on hit lucian is, item 3153 item 3085 item 3091 item 3072 item 3071 now that you know what jungle on hit lucian is, don't actually do it lol if he somehow gets fed and is allowed to farm, it is the ultimate late game cheese domination because of it's insane synergy with lucian's passive

ImHerVoiceDec 27, 20141 votes

Sadly nothing that helps tank evelynn.

She's still shit at clearing. Still shit at really anything besides punishes retards who buy zero pinks at any point in the game..(which imo any champ can punish yuo for not warding so its such a bad arguement...)

Skia AsteriDec 27, 20141 votes

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Sadly nothing that helps tank evelynn.

Why would there be? She is not suppose to be a tank.

ImHerVoiceDec 27, 20142 votes

I. Dislike. You.

Widder88Dec 28, 20141 votes

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I. Dislike. You.

If you want to play a tanky Evelynn, buy Botrk and 5 defensive Items. With the Buff Botrk will add around 160 damage to Ravage.

ImHerVoiceDec 28, 20141 votes

thats not a tank. thats a shit ass bruiser. AP tank evelynn is better than AD evelynn ever will be. I want old eve pre rework post stun removal back when her Q/E did damagfe.

Widder88Dec 28, 20141 votes

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thats not a tank. thats a shit ass bruiser. AP tank evelynn is better than AD evelynn ever will be. I want old eve pre rework post stun removal back when her Q/E did damagfe.

Isn't an AP Tank Evelynn, that does damage, an AP Bruiser? Howsoever you will do more damage with your Q, if you buy Nashors Tooth instead of Botrk. Nashors Tooth is just godlike if you build Full AP, but it is still good, if you build tanky.

ImHerVoiceDec 28, 20141 votes

both suck. Full tank or nothing at all.