Ungut defense

GigglesO··25 votes·10,511 views

Put assassins back into the 60-0 cleanup crew and restore balance between the rest of the classes. Only defense items can unite us and restore balance to the game.

There is a reason why the military, police and such wear armor... full offense isn’t balanced. That’s why we avoid nukes.

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Saevum4 votes

But according to Uncle Sam, nukes end wars (i.e. Japan) , so basically, we don't need to restore anything if everything is dead.

GigglesO7 votes

So we can all finally quit league because it dies. Sounds good.

Yets42402 votes

Even then, it was to stave off a massive invasion estimated to cost something like 2-5 million US soldier's lives, and some almost 60% of the Japanese population was also expected to fight to death, and around 80-90% of the country (Japan) was already starving/getting less than the recommended caloric intake, so its estimated another large chunk of the ~40-50% of the population who didn't die fighting would have also starved to death.

Massive country wide burst damage (so to speak) is preferable to a slow, brutal, meat grinder of a siege across multiple islands and atolls against a dug in and fanatical opponents who will fight and starve to death rather than relinquish ground.

Not at all comparable to League imho though.

If you actually want to compare to armed conflicts, there is a funny trend through out the ages, you wanna know what it is? Defense actually outscales offense, all the way up until you get to those aforementioned nukes, and literally destroy the world instead killing both. Take steel plate armor. Swing a sword at it, hell, break 500 hundred of your best steel longswords against that plate. You won't cut it, you won't chip it, you won't even bend it. You sure as shit wont pierce or break it, and even if you stab it halfswording, and drive the point in as hard and deep as you can, you still wouldn't get it in far enough to get across past the cavity to actually hit the gambeson of whomever would be wearing it. Next, try shooting as many arrows as you want from as close as you want. Try to get just one into that armor. Try to get one stuck into it. Try to get one to actually pierce. Try for hours, or years. Unless its already broken some other way, you simply won't be able to. Unless you have a mounted knight charge a lance through that, the plate will fucking hold, and weapons will splinter and break against it. Why do you think people would pay the modern equivalent of 5-10 million dollars for a single set of proper plate armor? That shit made you all but immune to most forms of weapons, and most ways of getting killed, even during sieges and repeated pitched battles. It was vastly more common for knights to be captured, enslaved, tortured, or ransomed then it ever was for them to fall in battle. That's what the paiges, squires, and yeoman without proper armor did. A knight in armor, even unmounted was considered the equal to 10 of his fellows just from the armor he carried, and how invulnerable they effectively were unless against morning stars and charging cavalry. Defense provides stability, it allows and necessitates strategy and tactics to overcome it, or find weakness in it, instead of simply bashing each other over the head with a club and brute forcing literally everything without a thought to how. Offense, on the other hand, is pure, raw brutality, and it is a race to the bottom, mutually assured destruction, and literally realizing the game/battle/war is not worth fighting for any single person involved. Its simply not worth playing period, as its tantamount to suicide.

You ever see the movie "WarGames?" If RIOT keeps this bullshit asshatery, we really will be in a world where "the only winning solution, is not to play."

Towboat4211 votes

Honestly ungutting defense would be pretty meaningless with how readily available true damage is. Plus and i don't know why no one talks about this hybrid damage is pretty avaiable now as well. Adcs building item 3124 for their on hits, item 2033 in the top lane letting everyone deal both types of damage, conqueror being availble for truedamage and mixed damage kits that make building against even an individual champs dps purposless.

DumberThoughts1 votes

You spelled "Urgot" wrong

Illabethe1 votes

Tbh I'm doing fine with tank items. Add 2-3 tank items to an Onhit Neeko, and you can counter almost all her counters. Add Armor items to a Morgana.... watch teams not know what to do as she heals what damage she does take, but still gets to CC.

IkBenShteen3 votes

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Tbh I'm doing fine with tank items. Add 2-3 tank items to an Onhit Neeko, and you can counter almost all her counters. Add Armor items to a Morgana.... watch teams not know what to do as she heals what damage she does take, but still gets to CC.

Thing is, those tank items should be for tanks and not AP midlane mages/bursters who tend to do massive damage. Or make items less effective and more based of total armor %

GigglesO1 votes

But if they build actual defense items like spirit visage and randuins and such they will deal less damage.

If they deal too much damage all they have to do is give them the ekko/pyke treatment of higher scaling lower bases. Boom done.

Illabethe1 votes

Tanks generally all have sustain kits too......

Defense + Sustain = Survivability.

Also, those items were designed for ANYONE to use, because League is not just about picking a meta. It's about surviving.

If you have an Irelia lane where she can kill you in 1.5 seconds because you are a mage, It might be a REALLY good idea to get tanky, Thornmail, Ninja Tabis, and mitigate a LOT of her damage.

BlueSmurf20181 votes

but assasins are bad rn tho (other then lvl 16 steraks, half bruiser kha zix and rengar) not counting the only 2 ap assasins in the game btw (akali and kat [and no, leblanc builds full ap without any ad scalings and is ranged]) so idk what you talkin about.. o right "but zed!" i hear you cry, however he becomes literally useless after 10 minutes. Who is genuinely good tho? i mean think about it.. Talon i guess? But even HE falls off at some point, and that rengar and kha zix thing i mentioned also doesnt really count because in all reality they go in, and if they dont play it almost like faker trying to solo carry his finals to winning worlds, then they die in half a second with no way they could have done anything. Dont say assasins are broken because they really arent. They are just good at single target assasination and if there are 2 ppl nearby they either have 2 options: A: Take someone down with you or B: Run and hope that half the map poke doesnt kill you. Oh yea also building any amount of resistance against assasins is the funniest shit to watch no lie, they go from doing 1k damage in half a second, to dealing >500 if you buy like a good 60 armor (tabi and GA in particular) but they will never actually get that fed so lets be real here they go from dealing 700 damage to 400 at worst.

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