Burst is so insane right now that lifesteal doesn't even exist anymore...

Trollmanship·Jul 2, 2018·22 votes·8,923 views

Nobody even buys lifesteal because it's utterly useless in fights.

Off the top of my head, the ONLY viable sustain champs I can think of outside of Mundo/WW (who build tanky and don't actually build lifesteal) are ones with the ability to drop agro between fights like Swain (with zhonyas) and Vlad (also with zhonyas). Everybody else just builds tons of damage so they can 1shot more people. Heck, there's not even any point in building bruiser anymore, because you'll still get 1shot as long as the other guy went full armor pen and burst damage.

Like

Every few months I look at league

And say to myself "wow, it can't get any worse, right?"

and Riot says

"HOLD MY BEER"

27 Comments

BLACK REALM GODJul 3, 20184 votes

LOL

you thought sustaining through combat was meant for champions?!?!

no my friend. it's for pve.

WøOxerJul 3, 20181 votes

What...

BLACK REALM GODJul 3, 20183 votes

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What...

yep. lifesteal is actually meant to

A. counter the damage caused by thornmail B. help you tank minions/monsters C. keep you from having to recall

the whole interaction of lifestealing off of champions is just a happy coincidence. it was later made to be a mechanic that actually semi-worked in pvp.

but the problem is... it doesnt work in pvp because healing based on a percent of damage you've dealt is an insane advantage. INSANE.

because lifestealing was created for pve games in order for squishy classes to sustain through boss fights. pvp games adopted it.

IllabetheJul 3, 20183 votes

No. No one builds it because they are so used to the crit meta that they believe that's the way it always was.

The adcs and melees I'm seeing run it are absolutely dominating as long the other team conveniently forgets Grievous wounds, and even then... it's formidable.

Varus is 1v5ing late game with just a item 3153 (I have two varus duos and we win EVERY game) Yasuo 's entire reason he's a plague is because he builds item 3072 Twitch Constantly building it. Tristana Is doing better on Life steal builds than crit builds. Lucian KogMaw Kaisa item 3812 Kalista Jinx Graves Draven

All Core items built first or second.

InfernapeJul 3, 20185 votes

Just saying Death's Dance Kai'Sa hasn't been a thing for a while now. Riot made her Q AoE, which makes the heal from DD worthless on her.

IllabetheJul 3, 20181 votes

It still carries the #1 Win rate first item for a very important reason: It single item upgrades Kai Sa's Q. On your very first item.

If you start item 3124 you have to complete a second item to evolve something. This puts her online sooner.

Also, although Q is AOE, her auto attacks are not.

Another benefit of DD is that it defers 33% of incoming damage into a bleed. If dueling a similar damage ADC, that can be the difference between life and death, even if it doesn't full Heal Kai Sa anymore.

There's a reason it's running a huge win rate while Guinsoo's is only pulling 49.38.

Ulquiorra0123Jul 3, 20181 votes

The second item is nashors xDDDD You don't even know what to do on the champion, how can you defend yourself xDDDDD Its Rageblade into Nashors into full AP with a Lifesteal 6th item SOMETIMES.

You are trying to compare an item that is first buy in 9000+ games, to an item that is bought sometimes as a 6th item in 200 games. And you are trying to do this, claiming that everyone who mains the champion in high elo is wrong, and your silver arse is right???

IllabetheJul 3, 20181 votes

I don't?

Unlike you I actually back myself up.

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Kaisa/

Go down. Look at First item win rates.

Just because a large portion of the community jumps off a bridge and begins building something else doesn't mean it's the RIGHT something else.

Pick Rate =/= Win rate. The Nashor's path is pulling 48+%. The Death's Door path is pulling 52%.

The only reason people have switched to trying Nashors is because they saw videos of a high ELO Kai Sa 1 shotting with a item 3089 build and decided to reinvent how they were building her.

There are advantages to both builds. If you can manage to get to the item 3089 stage of the game, the Nashors route becomes a higher probability of win. But if you don't, item 3812 is the better path.

The range of wins are generally so close that you could argue that Kai Sa can be built any way, as long as she succeeds in a couple Evolutions early game.

After all, her cross stat advantage is better than what Akali or Katarina or Evelynn ever had.

DD is bought as a first item, not last. It's just fallen out of popularity while people experiment.

But that experiment is leading to a 48.5% win rate.... so that's worth looking at.

I'm not Silver :)

LegitBusinessmanJul 3, 20189 votes

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No. No one builds it because they are so used to the crit meta that they believe that's the way it always was.

The adcs and melees I'm seeing run it are absolutely dominating as long the other team conveniently forgets Grievous wounds, and even then... it's formidable.

is 1v5ing late game with just a (I have two varus duos and we win EVERY game) 's entire reason he's a plague is because he builds Constantly building it. Is doing better on Life steal builds than crit builds.

All Core items built first or second.

3/4 of those combos dont exist. I have 600K on Jinx. I havent built BT since season 4 and bork once in a blue moon. Yas isnt a plague because of BT and no, tristana does not build lifesteal. Wtf.

IllabetheJul 3, 20181 votes

Actually they do and all it takes is literally to look the champs up. Literally every single Tristana build either has a item 3153 or item 3072 .

And yes. Yas is a plague because of BT. Its shield/heals are why after 2 items he becomes a raid boss. It's literally his largest third item pick by multitudes.

Not all Jinxes are building it in their first 3 items in preference of getting item 3094 , but item 3072 is literally her #2 win rate item after item 3031

And yeah. All these combos are core.

Is this an alt account? You only have like 30 games played in ranked on it.

IceAYonJul 3, 20182 votes

The point is that there are champs that uses lifesteal and it exists, even if half of them are wrong.

IllabetheJul 3, 20181 votes

Life steal builds have better KDAs, win rates, and are far more frustrating for teams than crit builds.

Crit build/lethality builds pop like a well fed tick. Life steal can reliably 1v5.

NekoniClawsJul 3, 20187 votes

Moreover does anyone actually build bork for the lifesteal? The %hp onhit damage and the slow active are what's suited for this meta.

Daddy AntsJul 3, 20182 votes

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No. No one builds it because they are so used to the crit meta that they believe that's the way it always was.

The adcs and melees I'm seeing run it are absolutely dominating as long the other team conveniently forgets Grievous wounds, and even then... it's formidable.

is 1v5ing late game with just a (I have two varus duos and we win EVERY game) 's entire reason he's a plague is because he builds Constantly building it. Is doing better on Life steal builds than crit builds.

All Core items built first or second.

You sure about that?

rushes Rageblade.
rushes Rageblade
no longer buys Death's Dance. They gutted the interaction.
rushes Stormrazor or Runaan's. Very rarely does she buy a BOTRK.

Only ADC's who consistently build BoTRK first item are Vayne Twitch Lucian and sometimes Ashe

IllabetheJul 3, 20181 votes

I never said that the Life steal item was the first item. I said it was CORE. Normally these are item #2.

NyarlathοtepJul 3, 2018

Gutted the interaction? Care to fill me the details?

InfernapeJul 3, 20181 votes

Her Q is AoE. The heal she gets from using it is cut by 66%. The healing is 1/3 effective.

NyarlathοtepJul 3, 2018

Oh so thats why dd was rush item for her.

Daddy AntsJul 3, 20181 votes

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Gutted the interaction? Care to fill me the details?

Her Q is treated as an AOE spell now.

She no longer heals 15% of the damage dealt by each missile.

Ulquiorra0123Jul 3, 20181 votes

Half of your list is complete trash lol. It is just better now to skip BORK on Kog, it is because he doesn't need that much on hit, he needs something to help him with dealing more damage. So most Kogs have started to take crit as 4-6th items because it just helps the build along. Tristana builds lifesteal at like 5th or 6th items, this doesn't even become a factor unless the game goes on for 40 minutes, the same is the Case for Kai'sa (who doesn't ever build the item unless as a niche 6th item xD), Jinx, and Twitch.

Most of your list is late game buys, and I'm pretty sure the OP meant early to mid game. Lifesteal we all know is insane late game, we get it, we have all played. But the stat literally means nothing for the first 20 minutes of the game. With half of your list just being completely wrong, like you claim that Kog and Kai'sa build Bork and DD first lol. Kog always, ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS builds Rageblade 1st. What in the hell are you on to think that Kog ever builds BORK first or even second. He has far more important items to his kit to build first xDDDDDDD Kai'sa doesn't even touch the item you said was first or second buy, and if she does it is literally a last buy in a niche situation. She is a Rageblade into AP champion, where does DD fit into that equation???? If you aren't building crit twitch, you don't know what you are doing and are sacrificing 90% of the potential the champion has.

The problem is, you don't play the champions so you don't know what you are talking about. BTW the reason Yasuo is so good now is because of Conqueror + IE, he can deal with tanks now when he couldn't before. Has nothing to do with the lifesteal he has built for so long, and even that was 3rd item before and still is.

hhaavviikkJul 3, 20183 votes

good because lifesteal is an obnoxious mechanic, ADC's shouldn't be the only class immune to poke damage just because lifesteal lets them heal for all their health from half a minion wave or tank through the enemy's damage if it isn't high enough

EvilMoustacheManJul 3, 20182 votes

I agree buff Nasus.

AR URFJul 3, 20182 votes

pretty much this. If I have to face a mid Zed as Yasuo for example Then my build is probably going to look something like item 3046 item 3071 item 3053

rtbf221651412Jul 3, 20182 votes

Honestly, lifesteal should have been gutted with spell vamp.

Attack Speed + Critical + Attack Damage + Lifesteal

Spellvamp was burst healing.

Lifesteal turned into Burst + Speed healing. A lot worse.

IceAYonJul 3, 20181 votes

you haven't heard of ohmwrecker or ancient coin. At least some champions still need lifesteal.

DoktorKaiserJul 3, 20181 votes

Maybe ADCs don't have a use for lifesteal any more, but from my experience Yasuo Graves Kayn Fiora MasterYi are actually broken mostly because, besides their retarded damage, they can drain tank for days.

DW DianaJul 3, 20181 votes

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Nobody even buys lifesteal because it's utterly useless in fights.

Off the top of my head, the ONLY viable sustain champs I can think of outside of Mundo/WW (who build tanky and don't actually build lifesteal) are ones with the ability to drop agro between fights like Swain (with zhonyas) and Vlad (also with zhonyas). Everybody else just builds tons of damage so they can 1shot more people. Heck, there's not even any point in building bruiser anymore, because you'll still get 1shot as long as the other guy went full armor pen and burst damage.

Like

Every few months I look at league

And say to myself "wow, it can't get any worse, right?"

and Riot says

"HOLD MY BEER"

I know right! It's like its been for mages for ages!... Poor AD!