What if instead of trying to balance Ezreal as AP and AD champion

lostbob117·Sep 23, 2015·1 votes·436 views

Just make him work best as a hybrid? The question you'd have to ask tho is:

How do we make him benefit more from both AP and AD than just one of those stats?

16 Comments

MCBiggah99Sep 23, 20152 votes

Why limit him to one 'best way' if he can be diverse?

lostbob117Sep 23, 20151 votes

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Why limit him to one 'best way' if he can be diverse?

One is always going to be the "best way" no matter how you look at it. Remember when Runeglaive Ezreal? That's when AP was the "best way".

LadyRenlySep 23, 20151 votes

That sounds kind of eww to me. I like the idea of being able to build both and have both bring different things to the table

SaltyKrackaSep 23, 20151 votes

Riot have said that champs and items which work best built hybrid are kind of disgusting from a game design perspective.

It's incredibly unlikely.

lostbob117Sep 23, 20151 votes

I feel like that was long ago. The Riot we see now is a lot different than the Riot we saw when they probably said that. I feel like it's fine as long as they find a good way to do it.

SaltyKrackaSep 23, 20151 votes

...That opinion of theirs hasn't changed.

When items are good, they're always too good.

RebonackSep 23, 20151 votes

Remake Rageblade as a hybrid %pen item.

And then?

item 1018 item 1058 item 3122 ) Named passive AUGMENTED CRITICAL: Your critical strikes deal bonus magic damage equal to (percentage) of your Ability Power.

Hybrid champs could be great, but Riot would need to actually support it with item options.

DrCyanideSep 23, 20151 votes

The problem with hybrid is the itemization.

AP Scaling is magnified by item 3089 (35% bonus AP). AD Scaling is magnified by item 3031 (50% bonus crit damage).

Trying to splitting down the middle causes you to not get as much of a benefit from either.

The only way to make Hybrid scaling better than either AD or AP is if you have enough items that give you both AP and AD, and the ratios for AP and AD alone were too small to be meaningful on their own.

lostbob117Sep 23, 20151 votes

You guys are looking at the items a lot, but what if said champion had something that gave him bonuses in his kit for having close AP and AD?

RebonackSep 23, 20151 votes

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You guys are looking at the items a lot, but what if said champion had something that gave him bonuses in his kit for having close AP and AD?

You mean like Akali?

Or old Kayle?

That just perpetuates the MOAR STATS issue that hybrid builds have always faced. The game has a LOT of hybrid champions already. They just don't have the tools in the item pool to actually make it work.

lostbob117Sep 23, 20151 votes

I don't mean like Akali.

DrCyanideSep 23, 20151 votes

Define "close".

Is item 1036 item 1052 close? Because that's 30 AD and 60 AP. But then you've got the base AD of Ezreal, so are you trapped into building AP items to start with?

lostbob117Sep 23, 20151 votes

Possibly Bonus AD and AP. I would say with 100 of each other or so.

RebonackSep 23, 20151 votes

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The problem with hybrid is the itemization.

AP Scaling is magnified by (35% bonus AP). AD Scaling is magnified by (50% bonus crit damage).

Trying to splitting down the middle causes you to not get as much of a benefit from either.

The only way to make Hybrid scaling better than either AD or AP is if you have enough items that give you both AP and AD, and the ratios for AP and AD alone were too small to be meaningful on their own.

Nah.

The problem with hybrid itemization is that there are no multiplicative sources of power or %pen for it, so traditionally Riot has just overloaded hybrid items with raw stats that are way too high (see: old Gunblade). A hybrid %pen item and a source of force-multiplication would solve that issue and hybrid items could have their stats balanced in a reasonable fashion.