I miss AP sona

Bârd·Jul 2, 2015·11 votes·686 views

Back when Staccato doubled the powerchord damage, Back when her Q had a 70% ratio, Back when her ult had an 80% ratio, Back when lich bane had a 75% ratio,

I miss season 3.

27 Comments

DJ Di0Jul 2, 20152 votes

I miss Sona in general.

Pls go away tank meta.

BârdJul 2, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=DJ Di0,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gdBOPQ9u,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-07-02T02:07:56.815+0000)

I miss Sona in general.

Pls go away tank meta.

unfortunatley, the next meta is pick or ban master Yi. You will ask for the tank meta back.

DJ Di0Jul 2, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=The True Bard,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gdBOPQ9u,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-07-02T02:35:46.236+0000)

unfortunatley, the next meta is pick or ban master Yi. You will ask for the tank meta back.

Tbh I'd rather have squishy devourer users than tanks. (Even if a lot of them can 100-0 squishy supports)

ZT XperimentorJul 2, 20151 votes

Suddenly yi & katarina telefragging you every game . . .

PeachsPropertyJul 2, 20152 votes

I miss season 1 Irelia the past is gone, best to froget and enjoy the current era :)

ZT XperimentorJul 2, 20151 votes

Agreed; I miss when nocturne could jungle, when blitzcrank could run, when sona could heal, when soraka was kill able. Or when turrets provided decent coverfire; or back when games lasted more than 10 minutes because they were more about strategy, than insta-killing your opponent. As well as having a variety of interesting items that actually had usability; I loved the old 'will of ancients' and 'executioners calling'.

But most of all, back before the 'meta' became a thing; there's so much hostility in the community against anything outside the 'meta' now.

1000angrybeesJul 2, 20152 votes

I'd like to see some work on her W and Ult. I think her E is alright, and her Q is still pretty good.

W's shield is absolutely worthless. Lasts like one second and it shields for less than one auto. I can deal with the heal, she's not supposed to be soraka. But the shield. Come on, that's ridiculous, look at that thing.

I personally think her ult CD should be a little bit lower or her ratio should be a little bit higher, or even the stun should last a little longer. You think about every other supports ult and it's got an edge over hers. Leona's ult has an 80% ap ratio. Nami's knocks up and slows, morgana can do massive damage and root the target (although hers is risky), the list goes on and on.

A Miss FortuneJul 2, 20151 votes

The thing is her W is okay as a Support, but going AP Sona Mid means that your heal gives you retarded early game sustain and the shield makes it almost impossible to trade back with you. Late game the heal and shield can make you immortal in teamfights on top of her massive speed buff from her E and ability to stun entire teams. I think the base heal should be buffed but the AP scaling could be lowered a small bit, just so Sona Support can still heal but just so that Sona Mid can't have a Soraka ult every time she uses her W.

As for her Ult CD, the thing about it is that it's probably one of the biggest game changing ults in the game. The base damage and scaling is pretty good, but it's a huge AoE stun. I don't see a reason to decrease the CD and to be honest, I would understand if they actually increased it due to how game changing it is. Mid lane, it's a guranteed kill, Support, it's a guranteed kill or even a double for your ADC, in teamfights it can pretty much auto win the entire battle.

1000angrybeesJul 2, 20151 votes

actually, its a terrible idea to heal without low health since it's both costly, and a bad heal without low hp. I do acknowledge that LATE game, with high AP and a rank 5 w, that her heal isnt bad. But her shield still doesnt even last two seconds. That's ridiculous. There's literally no reason for a shield that has terrible scaling to be so short in time. the least they could do is make it two seconds.

Also just about every other supports ult has either the same or lower CD with a higher AP ratio.

A Miss FortuneJul 2, 20151 votes

Because it's a shield that shields her entire team, heals, and also has a pretty low cooldown. I don't think the shield should be that strong otherwise her team will be immortal with Sona heal + Locket and + Mikael's on the carry. Which commonly Sona's build both Locket and Mikael's

1000angrybeesJul 3, 20151 votes

Honestly, even with 40% cd that's only about 6 seconds. making 4.5 seconds down to 4 seconds isnt going to make much of a difference for the enemy team, especially with how bad it is unless she's got a shitload of AP.

(it doesnt make it over 200 unless she's got around 500. which is more than what a support may have most games.)

chipndip1Jul 2, 20151 votes

The thing is that it can shield and re-shield your whole team every few seconds...over and over again. For herself and the most needy ally, it gives them a heal as well to add onto the shield. The shield is weak because it's a low cd shield that can easily encompass your whole team over and over.

I think Sona's ult is fine. More damage could be fun, but for the most part it's fine. Actually, I'd like to see more damage coming late game from squishy supports in general so they can give something to teams that tank supports don't give or easily negate. Right now everyone urges everyone to build every support with tank items, and it's freaking stupid. Squishy supports are either primarily or secondarily mages, but why is it that squishy support damage has to be so low if tank supports get to be straight up undying Goliath incarnates? That imbalance is the problem. Give squishy supports better ap ratios or something.

ZT XperimentorJul 2, 20151 votes

Soraka got the buff sona should've had :/

Pew Pew LasersJul 2, 20152 votes

AP Sona is still very much a thing and I still build her full AP as a support cause item 2045 is useless garbage when you have item 3361 .

You can invest the other 1350 gold on something more useful than 400hp. Like item 3057 to make your q+a in lane more threatening to let the adc farm more and keep their adc from farming.

chipndip1Jul 2, 20152 votes

Get a sight stone so you can fking build a sweeper.

Origami KaijuJul 2, 20151 votes

How do you clear wards?

Pew Pew LasersJul 2, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Arcade Healer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gdBOPQ9u,comment-id=00050001,timestamp=2015-07-02T05:03:26.371+0000)

How do you clear wards?

Clear wards? CLEAR WARDS!? You mean all 10 the enemy team places an entire 40 minute game? Who the hell cares.

If you're clearing a ward for an objective they already know you're there and what you're planning to do. People above bronze actually look at the minimap.

ReikkenJul 2, 20151 votes

Q still has a .7 ratio Staccato now has a 0.28 AP ratio when it had none before autoattacks get a 0.05 AP ratio, and that mastery didn't exist before

Your nostalgia goggles cloud your vision

ErockandrollJul 2, 20154 votes

{quoted}

Q still has a .7 ratio Staccato now has a 0.28 AP ratio when it had none before autoattacks get a 0.05 AP ratio, and that mastery didn't exist before

Your nostalgia goggles cloud your vision

not entirely Correct. Her Q has .5 ratio on the spell itself, while the on hit magic damage has a .2 ratio. This requires her to Auto Attack to get the full .7 ratio, and only to 1 target where her Q cast hit's two.

Staccato has a .08 AP ratio because it's 40% of the .2 ratio that Powercord itself had. If it didn't bolster the base damage as well, I would have said, use other chords.

The Arcane spell blade mastery is negligible, I wouldn't even invest that far in the offensive tree as a support.

BârdJul 2, 20151 votes

{quoted}

Q still has a .7 ratio Staccato now has a 0.28 AP ratio when it had none before autoattacks get a 0.05 AP ratio, and that mastery didn't exist before

Your nostalgia goggles cloud your vision

Nostalgia is awesome. Dont diss it breh.

o0aBoOd0oJul 2, 20151 votes

-.-

NazZomLordJul 2, 20151 votes

plays Sona Tanky

item 3025 item 3110 item 3003 item 3190 item 3027 item 3009 / item 3111

BârdJul 2, 20153 votes

{quoted}

plays Sona Tanky

/

Well, you arent running oom.

NazZomLordJul 2, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=The True Bard,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gdBOPQ9u,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2015-07-02T04:45:44.797+0000)

Well, you arent running oom.

Nope! ANd Seraph gives great AP with all the mana!

A Miss FortuneJul 2, 20151 votes

AP Sona Mid is still perfectly viable and to be honest, I don't even think it's appropriate for her to go Support. I mean, she can go Support and she does a beautiful job at fulfilling that role, but she has so much potential mid lane. Just yesterday I played her Mid against a KATARINA and ended up hard carrying the game. One shotted their Katarina after getting so fed with just my Q/Passive and in the end went 19-5-19.

The only real fall offs is that she has some mana problems early game, but it's fairly easy to manage, she's squishy, and she's bad against tanks. Otherwise her early game is ridiculous with her poke and usually level 6 is a guranteed kill if you have any idea what you're doing, her mid game is awesome due to her great engage/disengage, healing, and the ability to nuke their carry down, and her late game she falls off a bit however her damage is insane and It's very easy to simply one shot a squishy target like Janna, Leblanc, Zyra.

I've played Sona for like 130 - 150 games and I feel confident by saying all of this.

just build item 3100

no, for all of you DJ Sona players, that doesn't mean you rush Void Staff and Deathcap, your damage is significantly increased just by getting Lich Bane.

By the way I believe the math for her Q/Passive damage is:

492 Base Damage (Magic) + 90% AP Ratio on around a 5 second cooldown. So basically your Q/Passive will be able to hit someone for around 1,000 damage in most AP Builds.