Every other day I see a post about people hating Jayce, but I'm not having to many problems with him. Yea he's annoying, but when I play really aggresive with Kled or Shen he isn't so good anymore. Maybe my recent Jayce's have been bad or don't know how to deal with Kled or Shen, but that's how I see it.
Ben Sharpio9 votesYou're not in an elo where Jayce is being played properly.
Sona Ping2 votes[{quoted}](name=Corsair Sion,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gVahe954,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-01-04T19:54:36.879+0000)
You're not in an elo where Jayce is being played properly.
(Neither are the people you see complaining about him around here either.) Yes, Jayce is an aggressive lane bully champion, no one is denying that, but you always see people complain about aggressive or ranged champion and blame it on the champion, their team, whatever, but you watch what they did and you see they make no efforts to play the matchup and start garbage like Amp tome and demand nerfs when they get smashed.
Troll for Trump1 votesIt is the champs. The complaints are likely from the bruiser players. Jayce shits on most bruisers. Tanks nowadays shit on most bruisers. So they complain about both.
Tanks at least beat bruisers, so they're somewhat content. Same with ranged top lane players. So, you'll see some defenders of tanks/ranged top laners, but there'll be a larger number of complaints from the bruiser players
Salson2 votesIsn't that like 2% of the playerbase?
I agree with you, but hey the game is usually balanced around Plat. I'd rather have Jayce stomp 2% than Yi stomp 90%.
Mordepool4 votesOk so I will sum up Jayce. Cowardly playstyle who pokes and pokes until he can all in. will never come close to trade unless enemy jungler is close. Uninteractive all reward no risk Gameplay
That said Play sustain don't die go even and dumpster him in teamfights.
The worst thing about him is the Fighter tag. So misleading
Mandalorian 1171 votesWell he is a fighter because he’s not a marksman all the time, and he’s certainly no tank. He’s not a front line. Playing jayce is like playing teemo. Play safe and wait out his most painful abilities and go in hard. Jayce is also extremely mana reliant. Once he runs out of mana he’s forced to swap to his hammer to get some back because of his W. He can’t take that much damage, so you pretty much catch him with his pants down. Just wait it out. Is he playing to passive? Go in, and go in hard. Force him to fight you.
Mordepool2 votes[{quoted}](name=Mandalorian 117,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gVahe954,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-01-05T16:44:31.668+0000)
. Force him to fight you.
LMAO. Your hilarious.
Knock back negates your all in.
He loses nothing you lose any chance to an actual fight with this supposed fighter.
Skill level of both players being equal Jayce wins from safety.
Like I said earlier I don't have a problem Laning against him but I 100% understand where the complaints are coming from
Mandalorian 1171 votesThat’s why you wait out his mana cost. Didn’t you read that part?
Mordepool1 votes[{quoted}](name=Mandalorian 117,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gVahe954,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-05T18:04:47.677+0000)
That’s why you wait out his mana cost. Didn’t you read that part?
It's almost like Jayce takes TP to ensure when he does get low on mana he can back to subvert that weakness early on and by 2nd back mana is hardly an issue anymore.
Maybe with manaflow band aid getting nerfed it might make his mana costs noticeable again.
Easily negates weaknesses aren't really a weakness
Mandalorian 1171 votesThen use that slight absence to get some farm or go back and get items/ health and mana yourself. Even so, repeat the process. Tp has a cool down too you know. And mana flow band only works once every little while. Work around it.
There is even a crazy idea to pick some champions that can fight him. Like I said, Shen isn’t so bad against him because his W blocks his auto attacks and he can dash to him. Pantheon’s passive blocks his abilities too, he can poke you to death, and he can get back to lane much faster. Irelia’s E can stun you, and not to mention true damage. Akali has a lot of burst and engage. Her W can help you bail out of you’re in a tough spot. Wukong is along the same lines as Akali. You speak as if there is no couterplay while there is.
Mordepool1 votes[{quoted}](name=Mandalorian 117,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gVahe954,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-05T21:53:49.655+0000) You speak as if there is no counterplay while there is.
Ok. I have said multiple times that Jayce isn't a problem. He just has annoying gameplay patterns. Since I know how to punish him and win. Which doesn't make him any less of a pain to lane against.
Mandalorian 1171 votesAlso what would you consider him? He’s a marksman melee hybrid.
Mordepool1 votes[{quoted}](name=Mandalorian 117,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gVahe954,comment-id=0001000000000001,timestamp=2018-01-05T18:06:19.773+0000)
Also what would you consider him? He’s a marksman melee hybrid.
A unique artillery mage
Ashe mage AD1 votesSo you're a KotoR fan? He doesn't give me much problems either in lane but I've seem them shred through squishies so good before xD
Mandalorian 1172 votesI am a Kotor fan. I have seen some monstrous Jayces, but I think I'm getting the hang of it. As with all champions, you need to know how they work to fight them.
Ashe mage AD1 votesAll hail Lord Revan lel xDD Yeah idk, I mostly play Akali into him when I get to pick 2nd, but even without I mostly play Shen or Garen so I don't have too many problems.
Mandalorian 1171 votesShen is perhaps my go to top laner to almost everyone. His W just cancels out so much I can play passive or aggressive with him. His dash has some nice range so I can catch up to jace with him. I don’t play akali top to much because my conscience kinda works (I’m kidding btw) but I can see her being good against him too.
Ashe mage AD1 votesI have some 200k mastery points on her and every single bit of it was gained up in the top lane xD his only chance is to snowball before I hit 6 with some jungle help, I'll be impressed if I go down to a Jayce in any other manner as Akali lol. Note: Since it's top lane, I'll build tankier then usual.
But yeah Shen is life xD my favorite thing about him is that I can trigger Q (the blade passing through) without actually going behind them, I just have to walk up close to them when they come for a trade but without passing through xD so I can to trigger it 1st like that, unload my dmg while they're slowed, use E to get behind them to trigger it for a 2nd time, unload for a 2nd time xD and if I'm mindful enough to position myself through all that I could potentially trigger it for a 3rd time using the same trick I started with xD I noticed in Mobalitycs my kills on him are so much higher then the average even a full tier above my own xD I think it's cuz of this lol. I'm just cringing at the Q nerfs he got recently.
Mandalorian 1171 votesHis Q got nerfed? I played him recently and he felt fine. But yea, Shen is the best. Got some cool skins too, I just wish he had a crimson one so he can look like deadpool.
Ashe mage AD1 votesYeah man, they gutted it's base dmg, especially at rank 1 it's so noticeable and it got a bit harder to last hit under tower with it also.
Oxyrotten1 votes[{quoted}](name=Mandalorian 117,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gVahe954,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-01-04T20:40:22.223+0000)
I am a Kotor fan. I have seen some monstrous Jayces, but I think I'm getting the hang of it. As with all champions, you need to know how they work to fight them.
There is an element of truth to this. Despite your lack of hatred for jayce.
Mandalorian 1171 votesDon’t get me wrong, he is an annoyance, but I like playing characters that can fight him so he’s just a thorn in my side. Not RITO NERF JAYCE OP BUSTED kind of attitude.
Oxyrotten1 votes[{quoted}](name=Mandalorian 117,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gVahe954,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2018-01-05T22:01:21.613+0000)
Don’t get me wrong, he is an annoyance, but I like playing characters that can fight him so he’s just a thorn in my side. Not RITO NERF JAYCE OP BUSTED kind of attitude.
I will admit my bias comes from him countering my champ pool. But the problem is he too effectively counters the entire lane in general. His kit is designed to poke and kite, which is more of an adc design than a design for a champ in toplane (even if he is a hybrid). He just doesn't have a place in the toplane rock, paper, scissors meta. He never has, and as a result has shifted the toplane meta in an unhealthy (for the game) direction. He isn't the only one to blame for this, but he does stand out as he detracts from enjoyable gameplay.
Mandalorian 1171 votesI think I’m starting to see the point. It seems like teemo and jayce are the only top laners that effectively kite and poke while other top laners requires you to commit yourself to an engagement. Urgot is arguably like this two, but he has commit himself to. Plus his strategy is more strafeing than poking and kiting. I guess it’s also annoying when I want to play Darius or Mordekaiser, but then I see jayce and immediately have to change to someone I don’t want to play as just to have a less annoying time.
Oxyrotten1 votes[{quoted}](name=Mandalorian 117,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gVahe954,comment-id=000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-06T00:10:14.667+0000)
I think I’m starting to see the point. It seems like teemo and jayce are the only top laners that effectively kite and poke while other top laners requires you to commit yourself to an engagement. Urgot is arguably like this two, but he has commit himself to. Plus his strategy is more strafeing than poking and kiting. I guess it’s also annoying when I want to play Darius or Mordekaiser, but then I see jayce and immediately have to change to someone I don’t want to play as just to have a less annoying time.
Correct, winning a trade with (anyone) urgot requires proper interaction. However Urgot has drawbacks to his design that have to be taken into consideration, namely his movespeed (which is offset with a shield and so on). Kiting in and of itself is a valid strategy (or champ design) but without some way to bait his knockback (parry, spellshield, or even just blowing his cd) he is allowed to sit back and and pound you. Even if you dodge his combo, he remains a ranged adc that can aa you (fair but the normal counter to that is gap closers) and if you try to gap close he just disengages and we are back to where we started, you lost a trade are hurting and he just continues his ranged assault with no penalty.
But it's also a number of other issues as well, part of champ design is supposed to keep in mind that this is a game, and should be enjoyable, even to play against. To be fair Jayce does have his counters (fiora off the top of my head) and dodging his combo is satisfying, however getting pounded repeatedly with no way to reliably engage on him (without overcommitting) is not enjoyable to play against.
I would add to the list Jayce/Quinn and Gnar/Teemos. But again that's based off of my personal bias against these champs. Ranged champs are fair, but previously it took an increasingly high level of skill to play a ranged champ toplane, any other adc comes top and gets smashed for being a squishy. Creating tanky ranged champs isn't a bad idea but it's like no consideration to where they would lane went into their design. Teemos being the exception, as he is still considered a squish but being a squish really had no viability other than as a specific counterpick (seeing a teemos was almost an instant dodge because someone was trolling). This changed with balance, and maybe it should have but imo he was much funner to play since he was unviable.
But again this is my own biased opinion and probably not an objective assessment, I will admit that, and part of that is not just hatred for being counterpicked by them but also that unrelated changes nerfed my picks so being counterpicked hurt that much more. Bringing ranged top is fair, but is eliminating viability of an entire (bruiser) class (that's already hurting from gamestate nerfs) as a result of that a fair or healthy trade off?
-Unrelated: I completely wrecked a Teemos last night and it felt soooo good after years of pent up Teemos angst.
Jinzo Torrance1 votesBecause his runes and his melee E got nerfed so now he needs to play like a bitch if he uses his E and needs gank to start snowballing because if he tries to do anything alone he OOM himself and becomes useless for the rest of the lane.
He can still poke you with autos and then all-in you level 1-3 so they didn't nerf fix him feeling bullshit to fight against.
Tails90161 votesMy brother used to main Jayce, so I know how a good Jayce will play (in silver) and can adjust my strategy accordingly...
Until he roams mid and kills my mid laner and jungler and gets his Youmuus sooner than expected
Sujiren1 votesI don't really hate on Jayce, but one of the things I noticed, that lethality users do way too much damage in general. You can start 
, after your first back you return to lane with 
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. He manages to land one EQ, then proceeds to go into melee form, mash the rest of his buttons, swat you away at the end of his combo and suddenly you lost 60% of your health in that one trade.
You would think that considering that offense outscales defence, the early armor would be a bit more useful , but it's clearly not the case.
Mandalorian 1171 votesI used to play jayce quite a bit actually, and I noticed that mana is literally his life blood. So that’s another strategy I do. Play safe farm and poke when I can, but wait it out. Once he runs out of mana he is forced to use his hammer to get some back due to the nature of his W. Then he’s kind of a non tanky melee fighter. That’s something I don’t the aggressive jayces. For passive ones, I go in hard and force confrontation on him.