It's 6.3 and Shaco's boxes still don't proc Frost Queen's Claim's passive.

Shac Norris··8 votes·1,119 views

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Itadaki Seieki4 votes

They're not intended too. Reason why? You can spam 5 in a box, and boom. Spam 8+ gold for every. single. hit.

Would be defined as OP.

Shac Norris4 votes

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They're not intended too. Reason why? You can spam 5 in a box, and boom. Spam 8+ gold for every. single. hit.

Would be defined as OP.

3 hits per 30 seconds. There's a limit to prevent that kind of stuff from happening.

And putting 5 box in a bush would require 1 minute and a half and 30% cdr, you don't spend that much time in 1 place.

Itadaki Seieki1 votes

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3 hits per 30 seconds. There's a limit to prevent that kind of stuff from happening.

And putting 5 box in a bush would require 1 minute and a half and 30% cdr, you don't spend that much time in 1 place.

I feel like you wouldn't, but if you were setting up for dragon and you have them all over the place, then eh. I feel like it would make 1 box have 60 gold, then another 60 later on.

Eh. I was wrong. I thought FQC was permanent passive, so you could hit as much as you wanted and grab free gold.

Shac Norris2 votes

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I feel like you wouldn't, but if you were setting up for dragon and you have them all over the place, then eh. I feel like it would make 1 box have 60 gold, then another 60 later on.

Eh. I was wrong. I thought FQC was permanent passive, so you could hit as much as you wanted and grab free gold.

God damn it would be so OP, every laner, even bruisers top would build it xD

And yeah, you would get gold out of them, which is basically the goal of building spellthief in the first place. Even though now i can see why you would be worried if you could just milk gold out of them, but it just seems unfair that every other champ get to proc it, and the one champion that i like to play doesn't, especially since i like to play him as a support.

When playing Shaco support, if you're not really fed (or have alot of assists), you're most likely to fall really far behind, and it will take you time and CS to catch up, and seeing how stealing cs from your ADC is most likely not the best idea, then FCQ is the only viable option if you wish to deal damage (most Shaco support players go with ancient coin to get gold out of minions so that they get a little bit of gold, which they have to sell later because the item is completly useless to Shaco). I currently build The Dark Seal everytime i play Shaco support, and i've had success with it unless i lost my lane even in the slightest, playing this champion shouldn't have to be so dangerous (either win or lose hard).

Seeing how Shaco's boxes get countered really damn hard by pink wards and the red trinket, it would just be fair to get this small buff..

Also, it's pretty easy with alot of other supports to get all the procs from it, take Morgana's W as an example, or Bard's basic attacks, which procs 2 at once when he has a chime (also works with Thunderlord's, which Shaco's boxes ALSO don't proc).

mogonk2 votes

but why do you want that

what are you doing

Shac Norris2 votes

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but why do you want that

what are you doing

Every single other damaging ability in the game (except yorick's ghouls) proc it. But not Shaco's boxes.

mogonk3 votes

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Every single other damaging ability in the game (except yorick's ghouls) proc it. But not Shaco's boxes.

If Yorick's ghouls don't, then that seems pretty consistent to me.

But I guess I'm asking what you're doing that this is actually an issue for you. Like why are you building FQC on Shaco?

If you're not building FQC on Shaco then why do you care?

1011001110003 votes

Apparently Support Shaco is out of the question.

Shac Norris2 votes

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1011001110001 votes

I didn't say Support Shaco is bad, I was remarking on how you imply that people don't play Shaco as a support. E.g. "If you're not building FQC on Shaco then why do you care?"

Shac Norris1 votes

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I didn't say Support Shaco is bad, I was remarking on how you imply that people don't play Shaco as a support. E.g. "If you're not building FQC on Shaco then why do you care?"

Im just so used to people flaming me and saying dumb shit that i misread your comment, my bad.

Shac Norris1 votes

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If Yorick's ghouls don't, then that seems pretty consistent to me.

But I guess I'm asking what you're doing that this is actually an issue for you. Like why are you building FQC on Shaco?

If you're not building FQC on Shaco then why do you care?

I main him as a support (ap)

Now before you start getting at me saying how Shaco support sucks and how badly i need to kill myself for playing it, think a little bit about his kit, and play him for a few games as a support, you'll find a whole new playstyle which not many players use, making it feel extremely rewarding when you win your lane (he has his counters like everyone else etc) And right now, i'm forced to buy The Dark Seal everytime i play Shaco support, because Spellthief doesn't like Shaco's boxes, which is the only way i could possibly proc all 3 ticks. Mejai is supposed to be a situational item, but right now for Shaco support, it's not.

alfavhunter1 votes

Zyra plants proc it, himer turrets proc it

And IF a box kills a minion it disables the gold passive

If it can disable it it should be able to proc it

Shac Norris1 votes

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Zyra plants proc it, himer turrets proc it

And IF a box kills a minion it disables the gold passive

If it can disable it it should be able to proc it

IT DOES? LOL what a tease from Riot.

Stained Spear2 votes

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Zyra plants proc it, himer turrets proc it

And IF a box kills a minion it disables the gold passive

If it can disable it it should be able to proc it

heimer turrets definitely dont lol

alfavhunter1 votes

I played a game as himer support early S5 and they did, if they no longer do they changed it, which then begs the question why do Zyra plants still do so?

If 2/3 do t then the 3rd should lose it as well

Shac Norris1 votes

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heimer turrets definitely dont lol

They do.

Your Next Kill2 votes

fuck those boxes

Grashnim2 votes

Okay, then AoE should proc/kill his boxes. It's about time, I see him put them down, should be able to Lux E and destroy them.

Shac Norris1 votes

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Okay, then AoE should proc/kill his boxes. It's about time, I see him put them down, should be able to Lux E and destroy them.

LOL, just buy a red trinket and shit on them all you want, if that's what you want :P Best counter to every single stealthed unit in the game.

Grashnim2 votes

Correct, that's one way. However, if you want it to be hit by an AoE spell, it should be hit by them all.

alfavhunter1 votes

They already do

I've had my boxes killed by a lot of mobility damaging abilities

Example I had a LB jump into a box and as it appeared to. Sat it's fear it died b4 the fear casted

I've also seen this with riven Q, malfite R and other similar dash aoe damage abilities

Shac Norris1 votes

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They already do

I've had my boxes killed by a lot of mobility damaging abilities

Example I had a LB jump into a box and as it appeared to. Sat it's fear it died b4 the fear casted

I've also seen this with riven Q, malfite R and other similar dash aoe damage abilities

Shaco's boxes don't proc Frost Queen's Claim's gold passive.

(unless you're replying to that dude that thinks that Shaco's boxes should be broken by aoe abilities, then nevermind what i said)

Bodkins Odds1 votes

Yeah, I think he's talking about the AoE thing.

alfavhunter1 votes

Was replying to the aoe comment

Stained Spear1 votes

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Was replying to the aoe comment

go try it they don't

alfavhunter1 votes

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go try it they don't

Please give some info on this I can't tell if you are referring to himer turrets or the aoe thing, and I know for a fact the aoe thing effects traps IF they become visable to the enemy via trinket, pink ward, or getting close enough to activate them (again I commonly see them die from DASH aoe damage effects , they have very low HP)

As for the himer turrets they must have changed it because EARLY S5 they proced it

Also consider Zyra and himer are ranged AAs and have more ranged damage in spells

Shaco's only way to proc FQC at range is E

TyroneWatermelon2 votes

Isn't that enough that you are playing a disgusting toxic champ with no counterplay toxic item...but you also want bonus jewgold?

Shac Norris1 votes

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Isn't that enough that you are playing a disgusting toxic champ with no counterplay toxic item...but you also want bonus jewgold?

Look Jimmy, another person who doesn't give any argument when dismissing mine!

wow!

SaltyKracka2 votes

It's 6.3, and nobody cares.

The Whamboozler1 votes

I agree, buff shaco.

Shac Norris1 votes

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I agree, buff shaco.

I dont want a ''Shaco buff'', i just want to have what every single other champion has except him (and Yorick)

The Whamboozler1 votes

Well I want a shaco buff. He's one of the most fun champs in the game to play and he's forever sub-par.

Buff shaco.

Shac Norris1 votes

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Well I want a shaco buff. He's one of the most fun champs in the game to play and he's forever sub-par.

Buff shaco.

He needs bug fixes, not buffs.

If you think otherwise, please state your arguments

The Whamboozler1 votes

Bug fixes would be nice too... I don't want much. Shaco's kit would be mind-rending nuts if he was too strong or didn't fall off as hard as he does. But the fact is, he DOES fall off pretty brutally hard. In metas where the game snowballs or ends quickly he's powerful and in drawn-out games or metas where going for endgame is more popular he's VERY much a liability.

I suppose it's just part of who he is.

Gunpoint1 votes

If you play support shaco I hate your guts anyway so I would not be on board with this.

DrCyanide1 votes

I don't. I had a support Shaco in one of my games and it worked out really well. The enemy Zed roamed down to us, we saw him coming and stood on a Jack in the Box. Zed ults, and then is instantly feared, can't attack, takes a beating and has to retreat to his shadow.

Meep Man1 votes

More like its 6.3 and Shaco boxes don't proc ANYTHING except Rylai's slow.

Shac Norris1 votes

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More like its 6.3 and Shaco boxes don't proc ANYTHING except Rylai's slow.

They actually proc spellvamp!

But yeah, if it would proc liandry's torment it would be OP af.

But i don't see how a Luden's Echo/Thunderlord's/spellthief proc would be op to be honest.

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