Can Skarner, Sejuani and Zac have their old kit back for S9?

MarkedOfKane·11/12/2018, 9:48:36 PM·17 votes·9,882 views

had a good rework and then it was decided to just shove Dominion into his kit when they axed the gamemode. was fine, I don't care about diversity in LCS because I do not care at all about LCS. was also fine and seemed to get changed to be more "exciting"(LCS?) when his original kit was enjoyable.

is an honorable mention. Not too sure what his deal was but I know that his healing is incredibly frustrating to deal with.

I used to play all 4 of these champions frequently and haven't really touched them since these reworks.

Also this guy lol

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MagicFlyingLlama11/12/2018, 9:58:07 PM9 votes

Maokai always had healing.

The others are pretty major improvements to nearly nonexistently boring or annoying kits.

Kelg11/12/2018, 10:20:59 PM7 votes

Mordekaiser too

NoPaxt11/12/2018, 10:05:05 PM4 votes

Can we add Shen to that list as well?

Jar Jar binks l11/12/2018, 9:52:30 PM4 votes

Zac is the only one who needs a revert. Lmao the old Zac was bonkers

Encephalitis11/13/2018, 12:54:29 AM3 votes

i remember in February, Riot said that they were planning to give Skarner a new passive... i hope they really do and make it relevant for all stages of the game )':

Śhunpo11/13/2018, 6:24:30 AM1 votes

Same to the assassin reworks.....except for LB (please rework her again) and Akali.

TheSingularity11/13/2018, 10:38:18 AM1 votes

Maokai ult rework:

Natures Grasp: Removed Fury of the Forest: new First cast: Maokai roots himself in place and sends thorny brambles surging out in all directions, rooting+damaging champions they come into contact with, revealing and marking them as caught for the root duration. I'm thinking this will travel at the speed off Ornns ultimate (not sure which one though, as ornns second cast is faster than the first. But maybe too fast for this.)

Second cast: Maokai brings his branches to a halt and hauls all "caught" enemies towards him. Stopping halfway between Maokai and the point at which they were caught (this animation will be super quick, so like blitzcrank quick. Not urgot quick). If it wasn't clear, second cast stops the ult in it's tracks (so no more people will be rooted after this) Damage: unchanged so 100/200/300. Will deal no damage on second cast. Range: I'm thinking 2/3 of an Ornn ultimate

Hollow Digit11/13/2018, 3:02:01 PM1 votes

As a guy who has enjoyed every iteration of Skarner since I joined back in season 3, I actually don't mind and enjoy this version, even with the problems.

I will agree on pretty much all the others though.

SnugglePuggle9411/13/2018, 5:38:19 PM1 votes

Add Galio to the list and we're golden.

Riot, if you're listening, REVERT these reworks!

mack911211/13/2018, 7:26:23 PM1 votes

I personally enjoy zacs new kit and have played him alot. The past season has just not been favourable for tanks due to the extreme skirmishing required to be viable.

LittleDemonTrist11/12/2018, 10:06:31 PM1 votes

Can we revert malza W to the mid season version, and 5.0 kog, and 1shot maokai E support

Bisaknosp11/13/2018, 3:12:33 AM1 votes

mao was kind of okay at first but the full ap support shit that needed to be nerfed also killed jgl mao and left top maokai in a very meh state skarner has been a dead champ to me after the juggernaut update probably the most unfun champ in the game imo just because of these fckn rocks no idea why they felt the need to change zac still dont get it

FlameHalbrdOkido11/13/2018, 4:33:57 AM1 votes

There are many champs that I hope that they go back and visit (LB, Rengar, Kindred, Malz...who else?), to see what they can improve upon, lets not get too focused on the highlights of some misteps cause there are a few in the shadows, and lets not forget some of the changes that were actually good!

Shen will always be tough to work with due to the nature of his ult, tbh he's not that bad and certainly not the worst. Maokai also come out of the reworks much for the better theres really nothing wrong with him, if JG mao needs help just give him some extra dmg on camps and he's fine.

For Skarner they kno they misstepped as someone already pointed out they are looking for a new passive.

For Zac the only problem seems to be his ult, theres less margin of error and its CC potential is takes a lot of his power budget (though I DO have to ask what got nerfed in exchange since his dmg doesn't matter as a tank) Im starting to understand that for Zac mains losing the FUN of his old ult seems to be the real sore spot for them, so they need to find the middle ground between the fun of the old ult and some of the utility of the new ult. Its simple Bouncing is fun.

Now Sej, her issue is the major misstep in terms of how they decided she should contribute to a team. Making her a CC bot has turned out to be super unhealthy so they definitely need to revisit her and see what her E can provide to the team outside of hard CC that can enable and encourage the team to follow her into battle. If her E isn't hard CC then she can get her old ult back, but hopfully the new E is something engaging.

But YEAH i really hope that they STOP making or balancing champs for LCS, or making champs that have to be balanced for LCS. Ultimately its won't work in the end b/c either they have to be nerfed/buff for LCS which means they don't get played or they get banned cause no one wants to deal with it.

SpecterVonBaren11/13/2018, 4:48:23 AM1 votes

Yes to Skarner, PLEASE.

Sej I don't know, I just know I don't like playing the current one.

No to Zac, or at least only revert his ult because his new Q is way more interesting than "generic aoe slow". You can say it gutted top Zac but you can find ways to tweak his abilities if Riot want to make him a top laner.

The only real difference with Maokai and his previous version is his ult. His healing is so strong because he lost the resistance boost from his old ult. I don't think either iteration is all that different in terms of durability.

His new (W I think?) blind zone is interesting but I do find his spirit sword wonky. However I don't think reverting him accomplishes anything as his old kit needed a rework (At least he needed a new Q).