Can we get another item that builds from Needlessly Large Rod?

DrCyanide·Dec 9, 2016·38 votes·1,563 views

is only an option if you happened to start , so if you went or first tough luck. is all right, but it doesn't feel great to buy I guess feels more "affordable" now that you can't spend the 1265g combine cost on another

builds into , none of which are restricted by you deciding to start another item.

22 Comments

SpoofghoulDec 9, 201611 votes

Yea i got one

ENDLESSLY LARGE ROD So freaking large you can't see the end of it when wielding it

Decreases movement by 10% cos its too large

but gives 200 ap

morris1Dec 9, 20161 votes

I get the sarcasm out of this but the concept sounds very good (obv would need tweaks).

GodhriDec 9, 20162 votes

Would be a fun event item like if they had an event where they put ridiculously weird items in-game that have weird interactions.

OwynDec 10, 20163 votes

I think I remember that shiz... was called brawler market or something... after that some of the "ridiculous" items got into normal games [slayer-jinx-unamused] now we have all that "juggernaut" clownery

WolfBVDec 10, 20161 votes

Black Market Brawlers, it was great.

tseihaiDec 9, 20166 votes

BRING BACK DFG

xenomorphking12Dec 9, 20162 votes

nonononononon that would be a terrible idea leblanc is already one of teh best mid laners rn

SweedishGunnerDec 9, 20165 votes

I just wished they hadn't gutted all 3 of Rylais stats. Why not try small nerfs as soon as the item became an issue?

o Maui oDec 9, 20161 votes

They gutted its cost too, so it's a utility item now.

CanastusDec 9, 20163 votes

Even the utility part is a joke now. 20% slow for one second? Really, that's it?

DrCyanideDec 9, 20161 votes

I know, right? I look at what it builds out of and think "really? This is what the item builds out of now?"

SeenanDec 9, 20162 votes

They could attribute a common practice with Null Mantle turning into Negatron -> item 1026 can transform into item 1058 with some gold

YeahwhatevrDec 9, 20161 votes

You forgot item 3116

i was just thinking this yesterday, playing Veigar and looking at the options and like you said unless starting with tear focusing on a heavy mana build you only have the two other options if your going into a heavy AP and it really feels like you don't have any customization its just what it is. What other Utility could they add to another item?

DrCyanideDec 9, 201623 votes

You forgot item 3116 builds from item 1052 item 1026 item 1028 now.

Kharn SkyshatterDec 9, 20161 votes

Problem is a lot of AP items are now AP+utility (or CDR) instead of pure AP. Seems instead of dealing with the problem AP champs they just decided to nerf them all with the blue buff 15% AP removal. Plus there is no AP Quicksilver Sash upgrade. I know some will mention Zhonya's, but its now a counter item just like Quicksilver would be.

DrCyanideDec 9, 20161 votes

It just seems odd to me that item 1058 builds into only 2 items (3 if you start Tear).

The only other Tier 1 component items that's as rarely used is item 1018 , building into item 3031 and item 3508 , but that's for a secondary stat.

LankPantsDec 10, 20161 votes

Plus there is no AP Quicksilver Sash upgrade. I know some will mention Zhonya's, but its now a counter item just like Quicksilver would be.

There shouldn't be a QSS upgrade at all. QSS should be a tradeoff, you get to ignore a CC, but it costs an item slot. Mercurial Scimitar just ignores that tradeoff completely.

DanjengDec 9, 20161 votes

Why not void staff? Utility mage items are getting their AP lowered, okay. But void staff is literally JUST for doing more damage, no utility. So giving it more AP is no problem.

What if it built out of NRL and a new item similar to Last Whisper. Cursed Mace. Gives 20 AP and % magic penetration. New Void Staff gives 100 AP now.

Alternatively instead of a new item, it could be haunting guise. Haunting Guise gives flat pen, good for early. But when enemies build MR, you could build it into void staff.

DrCyanideDec 9, 20161 votes

I thought about the Void Staff idea, but it already provides 80 AP which is the same as item 1058 + item 1052 , so it'd likely get a bump to 100 AP. There's a bit of a danger with making it a 100 AP item with % penetration item as well.

That said, item 1058 + item 1052 would result in a much nicer combine cost, even if they didn't change the total AP (1365g -> 965g).

LankPantsDec 10, 20161 votes

Let's not give Void 100 AP, it's already the second strongest AP item in the game at 80.

LankPantsDec 10, 20161 votes

There's a few things I'd like to see, probably not all at once but two of the three or even just one would be great.

I'd like item 1058 + item 3108 + item 1052 for a 120 AP 10% CDR mostly statstick item. It could have a weak passive or active on it, but it's not completely needed. The stat spread on an item like that is attractive enough for it to be desirable on a lot of champs even without anything else IMO.

I'd like to see Pox Arcana reintroduced as an item that builds from item 1058 + item 3802 giving 100 AP, 400 Mana and a modified version of the old Pox active. This item would be an actual contender for Morello's and give APs some item choice, especially if other AP CDR items were introduced/improved.

I'd also like to see something done with item 3145 , Revolver's a good item but everything that builds from it is garbage or niche as hell. It would be interesting to have a more mainstream Revolver upgrade, something like + item 1058 100 AP item. If you came up with a decent active it would be interesting to have an active burst AP item, as long as it's designed better than old DFG at least.