PSA: Upgrade your god damn trinkets.

Drakzul the Dark·Mar 29, 2015·124 votes·5,314 views

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Deep Terror NamiMar 29, 201531 votes

You probably would have convinced more people by providing a detailed explanation, including gold efficiency vs. buying wards and drastically improving vision or whatnot.

Honey attracts more flies than vinegar.

Onimus TerlainMar 29, 201548 votes

[{quoted}](name=Valkyrie Witch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fzl4yn7y,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-03-29T00:14:31.358+0000)

You probably would have convinced more people by providing a detailed explanation, including gold efficiency vs. buying wards and drastically improving vision or whatnot.

Honey attracts more flies than vinegar.

Believe it or not, that last statement is actually false.

Flies fucking love vinegar.

Deep Terror NamiMar 29, 20157 votes

Who cares? That's how the saying goes. Did you not understand what I was saying because of the factual inaccuracy?

NinjaToad99Mar 29, 20158 votes

He gave a "fun" (As in those facts are almost never fun) fact. Don't get all hostile.

Deep Terror NamiMar 29, 20153 votes

Yeah I was being hostile, I just forgot to turn my Capslock on. Wait no, I didn't; I was asking a question.

NinjaToad99Mar 29, 20157 votes

The way you worded it was hostile. I understand if you did not mean it that way but that's how it comes across.

Major SparklesMar 29, 20155 votes

Exactly. I'm slightly concerned that I'm going to get punched through my monitor now.

Phoenix Kotori Mar 29, 201514 votes

Here let me explain then, item 3361 costs** 250 **g.

item 3361 increases the capability of to hold 2 wards, while doubling your ward output, and that they last for full ward durations (180 seconds)each instead of 120 seconds, meaning it can and will allow you to have 3 wards on the map after 3 minutes without you ever having to buy a single ward for the rest of the game (assuming enemy isn't killing them).

Another way to look it is grants 12.5g per 10 in terms of value for wards, that's higher than any of the gp10 items and cheaper. The non-upgraded one grants you about 4.167g per 10 in terms of value for wards, it's literally 3 times as effective for just 250g, meaning assuming you use effectively it item 3361 will have payed for itself in just** 5 **minutes vs using item 3340 and buying item 2044 s.

And this ignoring the crazy appeal of the other trinkets.

Deep Terror NamiMar 29, 20152 votes

You don't have to explain it to me.

rtbf211279518Mar 29, 20159 votes

No one said he was, why are you being so snooty? Seriously, you came off okay in the beginning, but now you're just acting like a jerk.

Deep Terror NamiMar 29, 20152 votes

That makes no sense. The purpose of this was to determine what was the best way for him to get the word out. Replying to an obscure comment to someone who doesn't need to be told is definitely not the way.

Chromatic EagleMar 29, 20153 votes

The point being is that how you respond to things makes you appear angry. Not sure why this means so much to you.

Deep Terror NamiMar 29, 20151 votes

When a person is accused of something, they tend to want to defend themselves. I'll leave then if you think I shouldn't.

Chromatic EagleMar 29, 20151 votes

Ok.

PartholonianMar 29, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Valkyrie Witch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fzl4yn7y,comment-id=00010001000000000000,timestamp=2015-03-29T18:14:01.002+0000)

That makes no sense. The purpose of this was to determine what was the best way for him to get the word out. Replying to an obscure comment to someone who doesn't need to be told is definitely not the way.

Replies become part of the thread just like everything else. Posting this as a reply to you didn't make it any less visible.

rtbf211279518Mar 30, 20154 votes

But the point is, you're replying to ALL of the comments in a way that makes other people feel like they're being looked down upon, because the way you're saying things make it seem like that. Plus, you're not helping to spread the word by replying to all of these comments, and you're adding nothing to the conversation. You replied to someone who had done the math on why upgrading ward trinkets was good, because previously you said that adding details as to why upgrading was good. After that person had explained the math TO ALL OF US, you replied to him with:

"You don't have to explain it to me."

He wasn't talking to you in SPECIFIC. He was talking to the rest of the people who read this thread who wanted some specific values on how and why upgrading ward trinkets was a good idea. You replying to him, in such a snooty manner, leads me to believe that you're just an ornery person who is desperately trying to justify being snooty on the internet. Oh, and your use of sarcasm, isn't helping your case either.

PerishSoftlyMar 29, 20152 votes

I love math. I love efficiency. I love math that proves efficiency. Have my upvote.

LoL Ergo UrgotMar 29, 20152 votes

eff=Output/Input x 100%

Out>9000g In= 250g

eff=hkhdkjhsrohirskhrikhr

The efficiency of this trinket is too damn high.

WhitakkerMar 30, 20151 votes

Someone go open up MS Paint and make this meme. I'm at work, so it sadly can't be me.

DeusVultMar 30, 20151 votes

gold efficiency and warding mean nothing to people who don't even use item 3340 past the first 8 minutes and rush item 3031 even when ridiculously behind in lane

OJ191Mar 30, 20151 votes

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** And this ignoring the crazy appeal of the other trinkets. **

and this is why we still get sightstone

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Hell no man, need to buy that longsword instead. Trinkets don't do damage!

Seriously though, upgrade the damn trinkets. They're so good now for only 250g.

That depends on the situation, if that longsword is going to help you win lane or a skirmish/teamfight, then it's just a risk you might want to take. Most people don't analyze it and just go MOAR DAMAGEZ though.

WullfMar 29, 20151 votes

I think everyone knows why upgrading trinket is good. But most people doesn't do it because of other reasons, like: forgetting, preferencing other items or lacking knowledge that upgraded trinket has infinite wards.

High5Mar 30, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Valkyrie Witch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fzl4yn7y,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-03-29T00:14:31.358+0000)

You probably would have convinced more people by providing a detailed explanation, including gold efficiency vs. buying wards and drastically improving vision or whatnot.

Honey attracts more flies than vinegar.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=upgrade+trinket+lol

Only Play DariusMar 29, 20159 votes

I love the people who go support, don't buy a gold income item, don't buy a sightstone, don't buy wards, AND don't upgrade their trinket.

Yet have a item 3041 .

DanofDemaciaMar 29, 20151 votes

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I love the people who go support, don't buy a gold income item, don't buy a sightstone, don't buy wards, AND don't upgrade their trinket.

Yet have a .

Well gold income items are pointless if your going full ap. Just by wards till 9 then upgrade.

Deep Terror NamiMar 29, 20156 votes

If you aren't taking CS and kills, Support gold income items are definitely not pointless; they pay for themselves after a while. You can sell it after it has paid for itself and you need the slot (or the gold immediately).

DanofDemaciaMar 29, 20151 votes

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If you aren't taking CS and kills, Support gold income items are definitely not pointless; they pay for themselves after a while. You can sell it after it has paid for itself and you need the slot (or the gold immediately).

they pay for themselves after like what 15 minutes you might as well start on your regular build.

Deep Terror NamiMar 29, 201513 votes

...do you often have games that are 15 minutes or less?

Woook3rMar 29, 20153 votes

[{quoted}](name=Jelly Mac,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fzl4yn7y,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-03-29T01:34:04.877+0000)

I love the people who go support, don't buy a gold income item, don't buy a sightstone, don't buy wards, AND don't upgrade their trinket.

Yet have a .

at like 3 stacks

The Sword SaintMar 29, 20157 votes

250 gold for a trinket thats a better version of sightstone - on any champion. Even if none of the other trinkets appeal to you, not upgrading and not buying any wards is like the noobest thing you can possibly do.

arcinexMar 29, 20155 votes

Read instructions wrong. Bought 50$ worth of RP. When do I get wards?

SecretAgentHulkMar 29, 20152 votes

As soon as you have 75g.

Aboylova92Mar 29, 20155 votes

I try to tell even friends this. One game in particular annoyed me, when he was playing ADC splitpushing, got ganked, and then said to the support, "Hey X, we need more wards on the map." The supports response was great though because he said, "Bitch, there's a store you're at since you're dead, go buy some."

There's no excuse for you to go the whole game and not upgrade it, I don't care if you're and AD carry, Mid Laner, especially Top laner, whatever. It's the team's job to ward.

Daedalus871Mar 29, 20153 votes

But my teammates are allergic to wards.

LeeDarkMar 29, 20152 votes

The League community uses "PSA" a lot. I do not think it means what they think it means.

SecretAgentHulkMar 29, 20153 votes

Public Service Announcement. The (League-playing) public would be better served if everyone upgraded their god damned trinkets, and OP was announcing it, so I think it counts.

Also, sarcastic hyperbole may have come into play at some point.

LeeDarkMar 29, 20151 votes

I'd say these "PSA's" more often would be accurately described by Peter Griffin's "What Really Grinds My Gears" videos. There is no public service here; he's just pissed off because he face-checked a bush and wants to blame his death on lack of vision rather than stupidity.

SecretAgentHulkMar 29, 20151 votes

If we're going with the least charitable interpretation, yeah, maybe that happened. Personally, as a support main who usually has three wards out at any given time, it also grinds my gears when others don't upgrade their trinkets.

(Also, why do you care the precise definition of PSA? If it wasn't one in the strictest sense, chalk it up to rhetorical irony and move on.)

PartholonianMar 29, 20152 votes

{quoted}

I'd say these "PSA's" more often would be accurately described by Peter Griffin's "What Really Grinds My Gears" videos. There is no public service here; he's just pissed off because he face-checked a bush and wants to blame his death on lack of vision rather than stupidity.

Lack of vision IS stupidity. Especially if it comes from not buying the most powerful 250g items in the game.
Usually it's someone else who facechecked and died, not the person complaining about how their team doesn't pay enough attention to vision. Although not always.

LoL Ergo UrgotMar 30, 20152 votes

{quoted}

I'd say these "PSA's" more often would be accurately described by Peter Griffin's "What Really Grinds My Gears" videos. There is no public service here; he's just pissed off because he face-checked a bush and wants to blame his death on lack of vision rather than stupidity.

Prove this statement, kid.

RIP Tahm KenchMar 29, 20152 votes

One thing I hate as support Velkoz is trying to explain to people why an upgraded trinket is way more useful for me than wasting an item slot (and 800/1600 gold) on sightstone. It doesn't matter if you tell them that the upgraded trinket can have the max amount of wards out at once, or saying that by ignoring sightstone you get haunting guise/cdr item earlier for a power spike while keeping max vision.

It's like arguing with people who are devout traditionalists (aka impossible). The only argument you could really make is that you can't upgrade until level 9 which is ~14 minutes into the game, but before then you really only need a trinket ward in river and the odd 75 gold ward for anything else.

The Queen ViperMar 29, 20157 votes

You are playing supports wrong. You should always get the Sightstone as a support. If you want your "power spike" then stop being a wannabe APC and go mid ffs, and let people who actually know how to play support go bot instead. The higher you go, the more you will start losing games since you will fuk up your bot lane with that playstyle of yours.

The yellow trinket is trash on supports, since like you said you can only upgrade it so late... and also you have no reliable way of denying enemy vision if you do not get the Sweeper.

RIP Tahm KenchMar 29, 20151 votes

Yes, that's exactly why I have a 70% winrate with Velkoz support, because my playstyle is trash for not following the way others want me to play.

I don't even understand your reason for hating a "wannabe apc". Why is a support not allowed to do damage? Why does a support need a red trinket when it would be much more useful on the jungler, and when a team only needs one upgraded red? I can't even solo drag if I found an opening as support. I wouldn't even call 14 minutes late for an upgrade because the average match length is 40 minutes.

There's even a benefit to having an AP support bot because of how many AD mids there are, and even if there was an AP mid you can't really cry about them stacking magic resist because of Vel's passive. There's a reason why I always have the highest damage on the team as support Vel.

KarKzzMar 29, 20156 votes

Since you don't have lot of vision early + no red trincket, the jungle can't ganks because it's either a waste of time ( enemies wards) or risky (lack of vision). It will be harder to secure / ward drakes, and a decent jungle will get free drakes and camp your lane early game. Also, two red trincket is better, the jungle can't secure drake/nashors and clean the wards of 3 people alone.

Vision win games. Especialy when the match is pretty close.

Crate of CobrasMar 29, 20155 votes

14 wins and 6 losses.

Real good sample size for you 70% winrate.

I will admit, that could be worse, but maybe you should play 100+ before commenting on your "playstyle". That's like spitting out one line of philosophy and trying to write a book with it.

RIP Tahm KenchMar 30, 20151 votes

I'd say that's a fairly large sample size for just a single champion, considering that last season my most played champs were Skarner and Darius with about 70 games each. If 20 games isn't enough just add in my 47 games from Season 4, Vel hasn't been changed much at all since S4, and people on the forums seem to think that 55% winrate makes someone op anyways.

Who even has the time for playing +100 games on a single champ in one year and not get bored anyways? With 450 games played last season none of my champs have over 80 games, and that would make sense because there are 5 positions on a team and if you don't care what position you play you'll play every position equally. So to play 100 games of Velkoz (assuming I don't switch the support I main in that time) I would need to play on average of 500 games.

Yeah, I'll send you a pm when I play 333 hours of league this year, but by then the thing I was trying to prove would be invalid because of the evolving nature of league.

Nin10do0014Mar 29, 20151 votes

"Could you ward please"

"No, it costs too much" (unskilled)

"You could upgrade your trinket for 250 gold."

"Wtf I'm not a Supp" ("smurf")

"You get unlimited wards."

"That's a Supp item" ([derogatory term])

"You get 1 ward per minute... it pays itself off in 3 minutes"

"No..."

Facepalm

RIP Tahm KenchMar 29, 20154 votes

I've complained to people before that we didn't have enough vision and that's why people were getting caught and dying. That person basically said "I'm not the one complaining about the lack of vision so I'm not going to buy wards. If you're complaining about vision you go out and ward, I'm not going to because I'm not complaining."

Basically he shows signs of having his brain replaced with a dick.

SolekaMar 30, 20151 votes

{quoted}

"Could you ward please"

"No, it costs too much" (unskilled)

"You could upgrade your trinket for 250 gold."

"Wtf I'm not a Supp" ("smurf")

"You get unlimited wards."

"That's a Supp item" ([derogatory term])

"You get 1 ward per minute... it pays itself off in 3 minutes"

"No..."

Facepalm

"that is a support item!" "No, the sightstone is a support item, which I already have, upgrade the trinket you have."

Nin10do0014Mar 30, 20151 votes

Hence, the Facepalm at the end