% of max health damage increased to 6/7.5/9/10.5/12% from 4/5/6/7/8%
That right boyz tha "Anti tank" Champion would deal 120 true damage every 3 AA yeah with no CD no nothing on a 1k hp target "Much anti tank"
And plus 120 more minimum because F#ck you all
Rebonack9 votesNot to mention her base and scaling AD have dropped and BotRK is being nerfed down to 6% current HP damage along with a price increase.
But by all means, keep complaining.
Merkel x Tsipras1 votesHER BASE AD DROPPED?
HMMMM
Base damage increased to 55.88 from 50.46
Man i guess +5 is "dropped"
And do you forget the Armor nerfs? Not the old ones the new ones that would come with preseason...
Yeah balanced..
Meep Man2 votesBase AD per Level decreased to 1.66 from 3.25
KONO RUBICK DA2 votes[{quoted}](name=Inept Maverick,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fzE7QbGA,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-10-29T21:19:07.681+0000)
Base AD per Level decreased to 1.66 from 3.25
it doesn't change anything
Ratbert1 votes"yeah halving scaling ad isn't doing anything!"
oh wait it really does, as 36 less ad at 18 is quite a bit. If you ever look at end game damage numbers, vayne will always deal more physical than true.
KONO RUBICK DA1 votes"yeah halving scaling ad isn't doing anything!"
oh wait it really does, as 36 less ad at 18 is quite a bit. If you ever look at end game damage numbers, vayne will always deal more physical than true.
36 AD at lvl 18 against 5 more ad at lvl 1
the second has x10 more impact
Ratbert1 votesso nerfing her late game by a pickax and longsword is less than half a longsword? She gets 180 gold value and loses 1.2k. So basically, you're saying 18 gold early game is equivalent to 1.2k late game? If that was the case, why are scaling runes 10 times too weak than they should be?
RiotMeddler5 votesVayne's current damage against a 1000 HP target:
Vayne's damage after the 5.22 change:
So, against a 1000 health target these changes are a slight nerf to the rank up value of Silver Bolts. At 2000 health rank 1 damage goes from 100 to 120, rank 5 damage goes from 220 to 240, so in both cases slight buffs. At present however Vayne's also got a reduction of 1 AD per level, so at level 9 (assuming she maxed W first for sake of discussion) she'll have missed out on 27 physical damage from those three attacks. Any attacks that don't contribute to a Silver Bolts proc will also be weaker of course too, without the benefit of the extra Silver Bolts damage against a target that's itemized at least some health.
Finally, to look at a later game scenario, let's look at a level 15 Vayne with rank 5 W against a target with 3000 health. Previously she'd have dealt 300 damage per Silver Bolts Proc. With these changes she'd deal 360, though with at least 45 less physical damage as a partial offset.
TLDR: This change is neutral or a nerf against low health targets and a small buff, though one partially offset by lower AD/level, against health stacking targets.
Merkel x Tsipras1 votesyou say 360 true damage like its nothing yo
3k hp 360 true damage FOR FREE because this skill cost nothing...So you telling me that 60 more true damage on a skill that cant be counter is all "good" because "She lost 45 damage"?
And you say she is better against "tanky dudes" but she deal the same damage to a champion with 1500 hp...how 1500 hp is a "tank"
And why do we even buff max hp true damage? its one of the worst mechanic in the game that cant be balanced and when this mechanic added to a champion the rest of their kit need to be useless in order to make it up for it (AKA FIORA/GAREN And massive % pick rate and win rate for vayne)
And what about all the new ADC champions that have MORE AD than the melee champions? since when this become a thing?
Talith PA1 votesNothing comes for free. Champions have a total power budget and every skill and passive drains from it.
Chromatic Eagle1 votesThat seems like a lot of work for what's essentially the same Vayne.
RiotMeddler5 votesYeah it's a fairly small balance adjustment basically, aimed at focusing Vayne more on killing health stackers while weakening her damage against squishies.
KONO RUBICK DA3 votesYeah it's a fairly small balance adjustment basically, aimed at focusing Vayne more on killing health stackers while weakening her damage against squishies.
why do targets with more than 1500 hp take more damage than before?
Merkel x Tsipras6 votes1500 hp targets= Tanks
Riot logic yo
KONO RUBICK DA1 votesVayne's current damage against a 1000 HP target:
- Rank 1 Silver Bolts - 60 (20 flat + 40 as 4% of 1000)
- Rank 5 Silver Bolts - 140 (60 flat + 80 as 8% of 1000)
Vayne's damage after the 5.22 change:
- Rank 1 Silver Bolts - 60 (6% of 1000)
- Rank 5 Silver Bolts - 120 (12% of 1000, also the minimum value for rank 5 Silver Bolts)
So, against a 1000 health target these changes are a slight nerf to the rank up value of Silver Bolts. At 2000 health rank 1 damage goes from 100 to 120, rank 5 damage goes from 220 to 240, so in both cases slight buffs. At present however Vayne's also got a reduction of 1 AD per level, so at level 9 (assuming she maxed W first for sake of discussion) she'll have missed out on 27 physical damage from those three attacks. Any attacks that don't contribute to a Silver Bolts proc will also be weaker of course too, without the benefit of the extra Silver Bolts damage against a target that's itemized at least some health.
Finally, to look at a later game scenario, let's look at a level 15 Vayne with rank 5 W against a target with 3000 health. Previously she'd have dealt 300 damage per Silver Bolts Proc. With these changes she'd deal 360, though with at least 45 less physical damage as a partial offset.
TLDR: This change is neutral or a nerf against low health targets and a small buff, though one partially offset by lower AD/level, against health stacking targets.
1000 hp? why did you take a so low base hp? why can't you take 2000 hp for example?
why are you even buffing her late game?
AMYS GRAVE1 votesIt does shift her damage slightly against tanks from physical to true, so i don't think that addresses the core frustration of playing against vayne, aka the lack of satisfying itemization options against her. Squishies rarely thought about building defenses so the fact that she did true damage vs physical probably didn't bother them as much, but that does hurt our options as a tank. That wasn't really the focus of this update it seems, but the removal of the flat true damage i think is a step in the right direction for her gameplay identity so thanks for that!
Marthian3 votesBase damage of 20/30/40/50/60 removed % of max health damage increased to 6/7.5/9/10.5/12% from 4/5/6/7/8% New minimum damage vs all targets added - 40/60/80/100/120
Using your 1k HP value (afaik less than what the average level 9 champion will have at that point) Live: 60+80= 140 damage PBE: 120= 120 damage (nerf) 2,000 hp (above average end-game HP with no hp built) Live: 60+160 = 220 damage PBE: 240= 240 damage (buff)
Too much math involved, but it sounds like a nerf to early game, buff to late game.
Merkel x Tsipras2 votesRiot say that they want to make vayne an ANTI TANK champion
But now she deal the same damage to a champion with 1500 hp (That the brake it point a guy on boards already did the math)
So 1500 hp is a "tank"?
Plus why vayne need 240 extra true damage when this type of true damage it cant be counter?
That what i say that now she hit a target with 1k hp for 120 free true damage
And she melt tank even faster
So pretty much a "f@ck you all" champion
CrazedPorcupine2 votesyou have it confused. It's not 120+12%, it's a bare minimum amount that no matter how much HP the person has (even if they have 500), after silver bolts proc it will do a minimum of 120 true damage.
AMYS GRAVE1 votesIt isn't 12% + 120. it's the greater of 12% and 120. so a 1k hp target would get only 120 true damage while a 5k hp target would get 600 true damage.
they also removed the flat true damage.
they also lowered botrk % HP damage, so there's that.
also her base damage has been lowered by a bit, but i'd have to check by how much.
Merkel x Tsipras1 votesthe 120 true damage come from the 12% true damage...1k hp 12%=120....
Her base AD is now buffed by 5 so that mean with her recent nerfs -3 she get an overall buff of +2 AD
AMYS GRAVE3 votesBut in your original post you said
That right boyz tha "Anti tank" Champion would deal 120 true damage every 3 AA yeah with no CD no nothing on a 1k hp target "Much anti tank"
And plus 120 more minimum because F#ck you all
which is adding it twice. You said she gets 12% (the first 120) and "plus 120 more" which is not how a minimum works.
also no +5 AD buff is listed, but her AD/level has been reduced to 1.66 from 2.66. Source for your statement?
Merkel x Tsipras1 votes120 Minimum more "because f#ck you all" i was meaning that she would deal 120 true damage to 1k hp targets
Plus 120 damage to other champions with more hp "So pretty much f#ck every champion in the game)
So that champion is not an "anti tank" its pretty much i deal the same damage to everyone but now i deal even more retarded damage to tanks
She would lose like 10 AD at lvl 18? but she have +5 early on?
And you call that a "trade off"? do the math...what matter more +10 ad at lvl 18 or +5 at lvl 1?
AMYS GRAVE4 votesPlus 120 damage to other champions with more hp
That's not how that works, a 5k hp target takes 12%*5k = 600 damage, not 600 plus 120.
And you call that a "trade off"? do the math...what matter more +10 ad at lvl 18 or +5 at lvl 1?
I never used the words "trade off", but you are clearly too angry to read my posts or provide sources for your poorly thought out rage posts so i'll leave for a while.
Merkel x Tsipras1 votesgo pbe what source you need more? or go to riotreporoit something like that and read his post or go reddit...i mean what more source you need?
And how i am "Angry" when i explain you that 10 more ad at lvl 18 mean nothing when you get +5 at early lvls....
Early lvls determine the lane and some times the game and vayne got buffed in that point and she even get a buff to her true uncounter damage
And you say that "she got nerfed"? i mean i can see that you main vayne but its kinda sad to deny the fact
Rebonack1 votesADCs across the board are getting their base AD bumped up by about 5.
KayleeT1 votesThis nerf is ass, I'm considering this a gut, botrk first doesnt even work anymore now