@RiotRepertoir @Meddler is pantheon going to be one of the fighers which you are going to rework in patch V5.17(or when you are going to rework the fighters)? And also are you going to rework Essence Reaver next patch and make it for example to restore x% max mana and to be builded with similar item, but with less AD?
RiotMeddler11 votesWe don't currently have any changes planned for Pantheon in 5.17 or, to the best of my knowledge 5.18. He's a much more mobile fighter than the juggernauts we've been working on, with some assassin lke qualities, so he wasn't a character we considered for this bundle of work.
Essence Reaver we'll almost certainly change come preseason, still figuring out how however.
healinglolz1 votesWe don't currently have any changes planned for Pantheon in 5.17 or, to the best of my knowledge 5.18. He's a much more mobile fighter than the juggernauts we've been working on, with some assassin lke qualities, so he wasn't a character we considered for this bundle of work.
Essence Reaver we'll almost certainly change come preseason, still figuring out how however.
I am not saying that pantheon is juggernaut, but in the wiki VPBE page there was a "future project"(or whatever you call it) where was typed that fighers and ADC will be reworked(but cuz of the worlds they will be reworked in 5,17/5,18) and also under the figher changes were Shyvana and Olaf also there were WW changes aswell, this is why i am asking if pantheon is going to be reworked :) And also pantheon problem is that his lategame scaling is awfull and he dont have any damage and lets take a look at his spells late game passive is useless, q makes 300-400 damage on people without any armor, w dont make any damage and it is just 1 sec - useless, and the only spell which makes some damage is the E, but most of the time it is interupted and also other people can kill you till the end of the channel, and ofc R almost never makes damage it is just to cut the "escape road" and the slow it just cant be felt xD
Jeddy0171 votesWell,no reworks are happening in 5.17 & 5.18.Riot stated they're shifting focus to balances changes for a more stable Worlds patch in 5.18.
Decrit1 votesProbably they are refeering to the adc itemization change. By touching some items for adcs they will inevitably touch items used by some fighters, like IE or Botrk, so this is why some.fighters are contemplated in these changes.
Etosh1 votesWe don't currently have any changes planned for Pantheon in 5.17 or, to the best of my knowledge 5.18. He's a much more mobile fighter than the juggernauts we've been working on, with some assassin lke qualities, so he wasn't a character we considered for this bundle of work.
Essence Reaver we'll almost certainly change come preseason, still figuring out how however.
Give Last Whisper's ArmPen a special name so it doesn't stack with other passives of the same name.
New 
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3000 Gold
50 AD
+200 Mana
Passive: Restores 5+3% of your maximum mana on hit, doubled on enemy champions
Armor Penetration Passive is the same as 
healinglolz1 votesGive Last Whisper's ArmPen a special name so it doesn't stack with other passives of the same name.
New
3000 Gold 50 AD +200 Mana
this is not bad suggestion tho :)
Felixphaeton3 votesGive Last Whisper's ArmPen a special name so it doesn't stack with other passives of the same name.
New
3000 Gold 50 AD +200 Mana
This would be too similar to Last Whisper.
ThePurpleKnight2 votesGive Last Whisper's ArmPen a special name so it doesn't stack with other passives of the same name.
New
3000 Gold 50 AD +200 Mana
That sounds terrible, I'd much rather it stay 80 AD with life steal and no armor penetration.
regularguy31 votesGive Last Whisper's ArmPen a special name so it doesn't stack with other passives of the same name.
New
3000 Gold 50 AD +200 Mana
Mages can abuse the mana restore
1374341 votesGive Last Whisper's ArmPen a special name so it doesn't stack with other passives of the same name.
New
3000 Gold 50 AD +200 Mana
Why would anyone ever build LW over this? For 700g more you get, in addition to the armor pen, +10 more AD, +200 mana, and a passive that restores mana which, while not every ad champion needs , is something that most can certainly take advantage of.
Puddy1 votesWe don't currently have any changes planned for Pantheon in 5.17 or, to the best of my knowledge 5.18. He's a much more mobile fighter than the juggernauts we've been working on, with some assassin lke qualities, so he wasn't a character we considered for this bundle of work.
Essence Reaver we'll almost certainly change come preseason, still figuring out how however.
Add in soul sickle, make it (Ranged Only), give it 10% more cdr, lower the ad by 10 and i think its ready to go.
D1rtFarmer1 votesWe don't currently have any changes planned for Pantheon in 5.17 or, to the best of my knowledge 5.18. He's a much more mobile fighter than the juggernauts we've been working on, with some assassin lke qualities, so he wasn't a character we considered for this bundle of work.
Essence Reaver we'll almost certainly change come preseason, still figuring out how however.
is diana one of the fighters being looked at?
RiotMeddler1 votesOur focus fighter wise is on the tanky, immobile champs. Diana falls into the same space as Pantheon of pretty assassin like.
D1rtFarmer1 votesOur focus fighter wise is on the tanky, immobile champs. Diana falls into the same space as Pantheon of pretty assassin like.
Thank you for your time.
WarWork1 votesSo Trundle, Shen and Rammus?
healinglolz1 votesOur focus fighter wise is on the tanky, immobile champs. Diana falls into the same space as Pantheon of pretty assassin like.
still pantheon deserve changes, league is no longer a game without any mobile champions, the changes can be simple big fixed @ult, right now the casting time is 2 and 2 sec, instead the 2 and 1,5 sec which are on the tooltip and also why the hell zed is reciving buffs and pantheon stays in this bad situation ? Can you make pantheon to scale with totall AD or something else?
Adalvar1 votesWe don't currently have any changes planned for Pantheon in 5.17 or, to the best of my knowledge 5.18. He's a much more mobile fighter than the juggernauts we've been working on, with some assassin lke qualities, so he wasn't a character we considered for this bundle of work.
Essence Reaver we'll almost certainly change come preseason, still figuring out how however.
What about Muramana? For a Tear based item it doesn't quite deliver the late game payload that a Seraph's does, especially when comparing Muramana to Crit Items and how marksmen have lower mana pools than mages and don't have a secondary item to feed into the mana conversion passive of Muramana, like Seraph has ROA and other things.
regularguy31 votesWe don't currently have any changes planned for Pantheon in 5.17 or, to the best of my knowledge 5.18. He's a much more mobile fighter than the juggernauts we've been working on, with some assassin lke qualities, so he wasn't a character we considered for this bundle of work.
Essence Reaver we'll almost certainly change come preseason, still figuring out how however.
Can you guys make it a laning item thats for ranged champs only and cannot be used by range changing champions
Elisai1 votesEveryone's thinking about since there is no 3rd flat armor pen item in the game anymore that we should turn essence reaver into a brutalizer item. I don't think it'd be a bad idea. Then again the item would be bought on mana ad assassins or ezreal and it might turn out to be a nightmare xD. Btw do you have any plans for a 3rd brutilizer item in the game? Lastly you should make a deep separation between why someone would buy essence reaver over manamune since manamune is overall a better item. Item diversity is also a priority as well as champion diversity. Which is why you made randuins block 10% crit damage. Lol.
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Everyone's thinking about since there is no 3rd flat armor pen item in the game anymore that we should turn essence reaver into a brutalizer item. I don't think it'd be a bad idea. Then again the item would be bought on mana ad assassins or ezreal and it might turn out to be a nightmare xD. Btw do you have any plans for a 3rd brutilizer item in the game? Lastly you should make a deep separation between why someone would buy essence reaver over manamune since manamune is overall a better item. Item diversity is also a priority as well as champion diversity. Which is why you made randuins block 10% crit damage. Lol.
they can make item which can be builded from BF sword and brutaliser. the stats which the item will give, will be something like 80AD 20 armor pen 15% CDR the item will have passive which will make x% of the physical damage you deal as true damage over 2-3 sec, and also this passive will stacks cumulatively and the price of this item to be something like 3000-3200 this item will be really good imo ofc they can use another passive
Elisai1 votesYou have to be really stupid to think this is a good idea... This would make any ad assassin frick everything on the screen.. This in fact is the opposite of a good idea... And your gold price is waaaayyyy to low.. This item would cost 5000 g for what it does... Don't get me started on Riven buying this item...
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You have to be really stupid to think this is a good idea... This would make any ad assassin frick everything on the screen.. This in fact is the opposite of a good idea... And your gold price is waaaayyyy to low.. This item would cost 5000 g for what it does... Don't get me started on Riven buying this item...
price and stats can be changed any time :) and also to make the item balanced the 2nd applied damage will be only from spells, not autos :)
InsaneB34st3 votesWe don't currently have any changes planned for Pantheon in 5.17 or, to the best of my knowledge 5.18. He's a much more mobile fighter than the juggernauts we've been working on, with some assassin lke qualities, so he wasn't a character we considered for this bundle of work.
Essence Reaver we'll almost certainly change come preseason, still figuring out how however.
MAKE A COMPONENT WITH MANA GAIN, JUST DO IT, DONT LET OUR DREAMS BE MEMES
healinglolz1 votesMAKE A COMPONENT WITH MANA GAIN, JUST DO IT, DONT LET OUR DREAMS BE MEMES
And also make the pasive something like
Passive: Restores 5+3% of your maximum mana on hit, doubled on enemy champions
On both items
Bodkins Odds1 votesI'd say something more like:
Your auto attacks now restore 1% of your missing mana, this effect is tripled when attacking champions.
Decent mana regen while farming, but great mana regen while trading.
oribix1 votesThey already tried it.
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Soul_Sickle
It was not implemented because the mana regeneration passive was too easy to abuse on Udyr, Poppy, and other champions that are only limited by mana gating.
Ultîma1 votesHonestly, a better solution would simply be to make the passive a bit weaker than it is now, with the added benefit of having it trigger with physical damage rather than only auto-attacks. Take the lifesteal away entirely as compensation, as ER will never compete with Bork, Hydra or BT for that stat and lifesteal should NOT be one of the reasons to buy the item anyway. Give it the buildpath of; BF sword, Forbidden Idol. 80 AD, 100% Mana Regen, a passive that can actually be used by AD casters without being abused by attack-speed monsters. You have a niche, usable item that is actually worth a damn on more than 2 characters.
30for301 votesnot sure how this would work but I think essence reaver should be able to be "upgraded". The passive it has now is amazing in Laning and early sieging but the item itself isn't worth buying first or second (by the time Laning ends). I think essence reaver should have the passive with weaker stats as a sub item that you could either scale like Tear of the Goddess or have the item be something like Bork where the item that would be the cutlass for the essence reaver gives the essence reaver passive and lower stats. Might be worded a little weird but this is just a thought
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not sure how this would work but I think essence reaver should be able to be "upgraded". The passive it has now is amazing in Laning and early sieging but the item itself isn't worth buying first or second (by the time Laning ends). I think essence reaver should have the passive with weaker stats as a sub item that you could either scale like Tear of the Goddess or have the item be something like Bork where the item that would be the cutlass for the essence reaver gives the essence reaver passive and lower stats. Might be worded a little weird but this is just a thought
passive is useless on champions with low mana pool aka the ad casters for which the item is made if the passive is something like Passive: Restores 5+3% of your maximum mana on hit, doubled on enemy champions, then even with low mana pool these ad casters will regen enough mana for their whole combos, instead for 1 spell like now xD
LilxPaprika1 votesposted this while back hope this helps
suggestion:
http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/EpmIKqEr-grand-vamp-scepter-idea-primarily-for-bt
also relevant to lifesteal in general:
DeadPuddle1 votesI'm not sure ADC need an essence reaver but a lot of top laner's and jungler's could do with it. why not slap a melee only on that badboy and make a mini version that's also melee only, fixes any issues with infinite sustain bot lanes. helps out a few solo lanes if there behind.
healinglolz1 votesI'm not sure ADC need an essence reaver but a lot of top laner's and jungler's could do with it. why not slap a melee only on that badboy and make a mini version that's also melee only, fixes any issues with infinite sustain bot lanes. helps out a few solo lanes if there behind.
yep if they make it melee only it will solve every problem, but anyways the passive must be better since it will be for champions without alot mana and these 3-5% missing mana cant be felt !
DeadPuddle1 votesI think the largest issue with essence is the lifesteal, Riot stated clearly that they don't like infinite sustain lanes and i completely agree, its boring to fight a lane opponent when you poke them down and they life steal back up.
If we want a proper mana solving item that's AD it can't also give you healing. I'd say remove the lifesteal and make it a proper mana making item, (it could even have some cool passive ability where it burns an enemy's mana pool removing 2-3 mana per auto attack (something balanced of course, removing all your opponents mana would also suck))
Kanns1 votesEssence reaver change, change cooldown for something else, and insteed of 2-8% mana regen per damage, make it like 2-6% missing mana per auto.
healinglolz1 votesWe don't currently have any changes planned for Pantheon in 5.17 or, to the best of my knowledge 5.18. He's a much more mobile fighter than the juggernauts we've been working on, with some assassin lke qualities, so he wasn't a character we considered for this bundle of work.
Can you change pantheon in the current pbe? And give him some love !
DreamsBecomeFear1 votesAs a general question after reading through the other comments on here did i see that warwick was getting changed? could it be the Riot Soon (TM) era is over? may warwick really get changed for the better now? 10/10 will go back to wolfman if that's the case.
SKOBODO3 votesPantheon's main issue is that he's basically a click 'n burst champion, similar to Talon. You W + E + Q, none of which are skillshots (well, E is a cone, but it's rather easy to hit). His ultimate takes some skill to use though. He should probably either be reworked a bit (turn Q or W into a skillshot, perhaps?) or reworked a lot. Other similar champions should also receive reworks (such as Talon and Xin Zhao). Point 'n click gapcloser combined with point 'n click cc and burst is not great game design, and it's pretty annoying to play against.
healinglolz2 votesPantheon's main issue is that he's basically a click 'n burst champion, similar to Talon. You W + E + Q, none of which are skillshots (well, E is a cone, but it's rather easy to hit). His ultimate takes some skill to use though. He should probably either be reworked a bit (turn Q or W into a skillshot, perhaps?) or reworked a lot. Other similar champions should also receive reworks (such as Talon and Xin Zhao). Point 'n click gapcloser combined with point 'n click cc and burst is not great game design, and it's pretty annoying to play against.
pantheon burst dont exist in late game, pantheon can burst people at level 3 till prolly 5-6(but most of the champs can avoid the burst at 6 and kill panth) and no ultimate is bugged and it takes like 4,6--4,7 sec instead the 3,5 from the tooltip oo and also pantheon wave clear is awfull, pantheon can be fixed really easy all they need to do is make Q and E to scale with totall AD, ult to be fixed and W to be some kind of skillshot like tristana's jump and if he catch somebody with it to stun them or something like this and also will be really cool if E proc onhit effects and also if pantheon passive gives him for example 10/20/30 armor/mr at level 6/11/16 and ofc to balance the stuffs all of the spells must have higher cds early and the same cds like now late game
pripustas1 votesPantheon is not a juggernaut, so I don't think they will rework him as a part of that. I've read that they'll be looking into Olaf and Shyvana next. I agree that Pantheon needs looking into tho.
Ralanr1 votesAgreed. Pantheon just feels way too overshadowed by everyone. His lore and gameplay don't make sense (it's a poor argument to make I guess, but he feels too squishy for someone who is trying to show the world "a true warrior").
Maybe it's just me, but I find it weird that he's part assassin. I guess it's meant to explain the burst but it feels really off.
UnsoundMethods1 votesRito senpai, I never ask for much (Besides this https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2gibrw/new_ward_skin/ )
But as a fan of blue builds I'd like to drop in a word about essence Reaver.
Please add a mana version of the health shield that bloodthirster has. (When mana drops to 50%, add mana equal to a certain percent of damage dealt. This would be shown in gray mana for clarity and have a cooldown long enough to only be used once every teamfight)
The issue I see with this item, especially when it comes to manamune synergy is that this is an item that you want by midgame but can only build in late game. Hence the suggestion that I've seen around to create a new in between item that just has the mana regen portion and maybe some armor pen would be great. You can take away the lifesteal. One could sit on that in between item until it was time to finish it for the BF and extra damage late game.