Ekko's nerfs on pbe were ON POINT

BeatzBoyFTW·May 18, 2016·126 votes·6,405 views

Finally, a big majestic middle finger to the infamous Tank Ekko, and thumbs up to the guy in a certain thread who suggested the "more AP = more slows" idea.

125 Comments

xxxMadLionxxxMay 18, 201627 votes

So what stops me from building item 3027 item 3001 item 3116 item 3151 item 3089 item 3047 .

This make me tanky while still having enough ap to utilising Ekko slows?

YumaS2AstralMay 18, 201616 votes

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So what stops me from building .

This make me tanky while still having enough ap to utilising Ekko slows?

That's exactly what I was thinking.

Ekko can just build a bit of AP then build tanky after. They are destroying pure tank Ekko but making bruiser Ekko stronger and stronger with each patch.

I am not surprised if people start realizing this and Ekko becomes pick/ban again.

DesolationKaizerMay 18, 201617 votes

I mean, that's probably more expensive than the build he uses right now.

JoquanMay 18, 201643 votes

You can if you want to, it's not as strong as the tank ekko, so it's not going to matter. That build loses Sunfire Iceborn Visage Swfitness boots

So you lose 1k health 55 MR, 115 Armor 200% base hp regen 30% cdr

And gain health, ap, and more cdr and basically the same MR,but you lose out on the armor. Your psuedo-tanky and its far from as strong as the real tank ekko.

Troll for TrumpMay 18, 20162 votes

No, it's still as strong. Also more Ap means more healing. He becomes more glass cannony; While it may have taken Tank Ekko a bit to kill champs, he would nail them using the base dmg and the constant utility, with the tankiness preventing him from dying. Ap ekko just E- AA you, and you're down half HP if you're squishy. Throw a Q or any other way to get his passive proccing and they die.

It's just as bad.

item 3100 item 1001 item 3027 item 3135 / item 3001 / item 3285 item 3089 / item 3157 item 3030 / item 3152

but Rylais and Liandries aren't needed on Ekko; He has enough cc as is, if you want HP get the Hextech items. Rocket belt gives him the mobility (he's squishier, might need it), and the GLP-3000's active does a considerable amount of dmg. Void staff can replace abyssal if you feel the need for more pen; Liandry's just doesn't slot in well with him.

JoquanMay 19, 20163 votes

Your build is full AP and doesn't have a single tank item. That's exactly the point of the nerfs, to remove tank ekko. If he somehow gets a high winrate going full AP then he will get nerfed again.

Troll for TrumpMay 19, 20161 votes

That's what I'm saying. You buff the scalings and nerf the base damage, he'll still be strong, but will go full AP instead.

It's like Fizz switching between his full AP assassin in (s3?) going Tank Fizz, then Bruiser Fizz.

JoquanMay 19, 20161 votes

He's a mage. Nothing wrong with going full AP.

Troll for TrumpMay 19, 20161 votes

Ekko's an Assassin...

He's kinda like Diana in which he does go a ton of Ap with defensive stats (gets lichbane) and can jump easily on targets and burst them down, but he also has Fizz's utility(maybe even more).

JoquanMay 20, 20161 votes

It sounds to me that you're just salty about Ekko's Kit. Nothing I can do about that.

Troll for TrumpMay 20, 20161 votes

But... I play Ap ekko. A fk ton. And I do love playing him, but people against him don't.

It's like Yas; You have a ball playing as him, but going against Yas is stupid often times.

Voluug13May 19, 20161 votes

strong =/= cancer

the point isnt to gut Ekko, is to gut the very toxic Tank Ekko.

AP Ekko is how the champion was designed to be.

Troll for TrumpMay 20, 20161 votes

Yeah but for an assassin he's given too much.

Maybe it's just me, but I dislike the amount of utility the "updated" assassins have ( Fizz Ekko Zed )

when compared to the older ones.

IcyPepperMay 20, 20161 votes

You buff the scalings and nerf the base damage, he'll still be strong, but will go full AP instead.

He may still remain strong, but he'll be losing the ability to be strong AND tanky at the same time. He's still going to assassinate, but he's not going to be a brick wall while doing so.

Meep ManMay 18, 20164 votes

That's an extremely low amount of armor and only average magic resist. That's about the same build as some Middle Lane Mages.

Cosmic WarperMay 18, 20168 votes

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So what stops me from building .

This make me tanky while still having enough ap to utilising Ekko slows?

Sorry, but rylai's on ekko is really bad. He already has 3 slows in his kit and they're all stronger than rylai's slow by the time you even get the item. Iceborn would be much better as cdr is extremely efficient on ekko, and you need more tankiness from AD champions. This build is not even close to as durable as Tank ekko, has less CDR, lower waveclear, and can't survive in sustained fights. That 60 MR and 30 armor from tabi is not going to beat out on the 110+ armor from iceborn sunfire and MR from visage. You're generally squishier even if you deal more damage.

DatalessMay 18, 20163 votes

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So what stops me from building .

This make me tanky while still having enough ap to utilising Ekko slows?

That build would result in an AP Bruiser Ekko, but it lacks the raw mitigation stats to be a true "tank". Not saying it's a bad idea or anything, just picking at it.

chipndip1May 19, 20162 votes

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So what stops me from building .

This make me tanky while still having enough ap to utilising Ekko slows?

Not nearly as tanky as being a full tank.

Lady HammerlockMay 18, 201615 votes

Since the changes right now aren't done If you get 700 AP your Q becomes a root because its a 100% slow

BeatzBoyFTWMay 18, 201618 votes

There will be a cap for that.

Lady HammerlockMay 18, 20162 votes

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There will be a cap for that.

IK its just hilarious i can do that on the PBE right now its idiotic and funny

Shuyin178May 18, 20163 votes

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There will be a cap for that.

I believe Nami is still able to 100% slow. I might be wrong, but I think she can.

A DemonMay 18, 201611 votes

Nah, You're correct. Nami need 1300 AP to have 100% slow on her E.

There's a video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvpZhXOlU2U

MelledoneusMay 18, 20167 votes

Psh... water you talking about? Nami can't... oh... oh jeez.

Begins to browse champion shop

FastAsHeckMay 19, 20162 votes

water you talking about?

I sea what you did there

JoquanMay 18, 20163 votes

You need 1300 ap for that, it's possible but never going to happen

Smitty ManjensenMay 18, 20167 votes

Not exactly, he doesn't need compensation buffs, he straight up needs nerfs like lucian.

DesolationKaizerMay 18, 201610 votes

I mean, the buffs aren't that massive to be honest. Besides, AP Ekko has a lot more counterplay than Tank Ekko by far.

Smitty ManjensenMay 18, 20165 votes

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I mean, the buffs aren't that massive to be honest. Besides, AP Ekko has a lot more counterplay than Tank Ekko by far.

Maybe against tanky teams, I literally was once 1 shot by him with his e and lich bane as an adc, not exaggerating, there is no counterplay to that.

MLDzXnRRRMay 18, 20163 votes

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Maybe against tanky teams, I literally was once 1 shot by him with his e and lich bane as an adc, not exaggerating, there is no counterplay to that.

What is the counterplay for the ADCs shooting you from 550 range? Don't go near them?

Smitty ManjensenMay 18, 20162 votes

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What is the counterplay for the ADCs shooting you from 550 range? Don't go near them?

Usually you can kill them easily unless he's defended or fed as hell, as what he is intended to do, there's plenty of things you can do against him, against someone who presses E and then right clicks you to kill you instantly I doubt there is any.

MLDzXnRRRMay 18, 20162 votes

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Usually you can kill them easily unless he's defended or fed as hell, as what he is intended to do, there's plenty of things you can do against him, against someone who presses E and then right clicks you to kill you instantly I doubt there is any.

If he can instantly delete you, he is as fed as the ADC that can instantly kill you. Also all Ekko's abilities are telegraphed and can be dodged.

Stemw3May 18, 20163 votes

Correction: All Ekko's abilities may be telegraphed, but his Phase Dive cannot be dodged (Not counting invulnerability-Abilities/Items because If you would count those in, you could say that all abilities from every champ can be dodged).

DesolationKaizerMay 18, 20168 votes

He's supposed to be an assassin, so I believe that's working as intended? Rather than the tanky, bruiser whatever the hell he is right now. At least after these changes go through, it will force people to build a lot squisher to reap more rewards, rather than being an extremely hard to kill, high utility, high damage horrible mess.

WimbledofyMay 18, 20161 votes

So you got 1 shot by something with a .2 ap ratio? That's hard to believe because fizz's q+e has a ratio of .65. With lich bane ekko has .9 ap ratio and a 170 base damage from E. Without any mr it would take ekko 1700 ap to 1 shot a lucian at max level with just E.

TimewinderMay 19, 20161 votes

did you take ludens, 3rd passive proc and w passive into account?

WimbledofyMay 19, 20161 votes

He didn't say he had luden's. Reread what you wrote I'll let you think about why I didn't for the other 2.

TimewinderMay 21, 20161 votes

i mean we have to consider the highest possible damage output possible for a 1 shot to occur. w passive has a minimum of 15 damage

WimbledofyMay 21, 20162 votes

3rd passive proc is not possible because it requires 2 previous hits, W passive requires them to be low already. The key word "one shot" should have given it away that those 2 passives wouldn't be included.

TimewinderMay 21, 20161 votes

would it count as a one shot if ekko hit you twice, you healed back to full health, and then e'd? i mean i bet that could be considered a one shot. w passive does NOT require them to be low. it has a minimum of 15 damage, regardless of how much health the target has.

WimbledofyMay 21, 20162 votes

Here's ekko his W passive "Passive: Ekko's basic attacks deal bonus magic damage to enemies under 30% health equal to 3% (+[3% Ability Power]%) of their missing health. Deals a minimum of 15 damage, and a maximum of 150 damage vs. minions and monsters." They have to be under 30% health for this to work. Also no if he hit you twice and then you healed that wouldn't count as being one shot since our context was JUST E. We can't just change all these scenarios when the context was literally just the ability E.

AbyssphereMay 19, 20161 votes

W passive is an execute that activates when his target is under 30% HP. How on Earth is that included in a one-shot?

TimewinderMay 21, 20161 votes

has minimum damage of 15

AbyssphereMay 21, 20161 votes

...yes, when it activates. It only activates below 30% HP. Once you go below 30% HP it has a minimum value of 15 to help him with last hitting minions but if Ekko's target is above 30% HP then he's not doing any damage to them with his W passive.

Comprehend the kit before you complain about it.

TimewinderMay 21, 20161 votes

No, you're right. My bad.

Cosmic WarperMay 18, 20163 votes

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Maybe against tanky teams, I literally was once 1 shot by him with his e and lich bane as an adc, not exaggerating, there is no counterplay to that.

Ekko can't one shot you with E and lich bane, so yes, you are exaggerating. Max rank E with lich bane deals 140 +90% AP + 175% base AD (75% of that as magic dmg). He would need to have insane amounts of AP to chunk you with one E, and you would need to have 0 MR.

TimewinderMay 19, 20161 votes

he can do insane amounts of damage with it though. 3 proc on passive + passive on W and all those other things can make it do 900 damage on squishies. not a one shot, but almost

My Waifu VanillaMay 19, 20163 votes

It's not a one shot if he hit you with 2 other abilities first for it to be the 3rd hit on passive.

KnoyleMay 19, 20161 votes

So basically what you a are saying is

Ekko was an Assassin and fulfilled his role? That sounds about right. I mean if you are an ADC you shouldn't be able to take much damage in the first place since you are basically building no real defense while an Assassin builds a fuckton of defense and usually come with gape closers and such.

Smitty ManjensenMay 19, 20163 votes

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So basically what you a are saying is

Ekko was an Assassin and fulfilled his role? That sounds about right. I mean if you are an ADC you shouldn't be able to take much damage in the first place since you are basically building no real defense while an Assassin builds a fuckton of defense and usually come with gape closers and such.

What I am saying is that an assassin who can oneshot me and possibly stun an entire team while having a very potent shield and slows and ms boosts is wrong, that's too much for one person to have, seriously how can you people defend such a champion, his kit is too overloaded, he has everything you need, also he can engage and then press R to just return where he was, so fucking up on him is very hard.