I suggest lowering 
price from 3100 down to 2800 and slightly adjust the way it works: "Your auto-attacks slows the target down to 50% (30% for ranged) after 4 seconds of being in combat with enemy champion".
Anonagon4 votesIf you make Frozen Mallet's slow activate after a delay, you only increase the problem of it being more effective on champions who already have stickiness built in, like Yasuo and Gnar, because they are more likely to stick for the four seconds before it starts.
Dormidon2 votesIf you make Frozen Mallet's slow activate after a delay, you only increase the problem of it being more effective on champions who already have stickiness built in, like Yasuo and Gnar, because they are more likely to stick for the four seconds before it starts.
absurd? they wont be able to apply slow first 4 seconds. it's quite a huge window to escape if they're much stronger than you.
Anonagon3 votesThe problem is that Frozen Mallet is meant to be an item for melee champions with little to no mobility to use to stick to a target, and your proposed changes hurts them while being beneficial for champions who are unintended benefactors.
Ahristocats2 votesMallet was never intended for melee champions with little mobility, LMFAO where did you read this?
Mallet is an item that people can build to slow other champions, PERIOD even ranged champions can buy it
having the passive delayed by 4 seconds isn't ruining it, it's giving counterplay to enemies to leave. If they stay for 4 seconds and continue to damage the bruiser then they're going to get punished by a permaslow, NOWHERE it is said which melee should build it
Anonagon3 votesRead it's stats. Riot has said on multiple occasions that items with AD + HP stat lines are primarily for juggernauts - immobile melees. See: Titanic Hydra, Black Cleaver, Sterak's Gage.
You shouldn't need to be told this. Do you need it explained that Zeal upgrades are primarily meant for ADCs because they have attack speed and crit?
Ahristocats1 votesNop, still not seeing the logic
i can't see why immobile melee especially are primary on frozen mallet back in 2012 it was built on j4 wukong irelia riven renekton xin zhao gangplank nocturne lee sin i don't remember any immobile melee beside gangplank building it before it was put into garbage tier
Yorick the only immobile bruiser of 2012 never built it and went for manamune+frozen heart+warmogue+atma+force of nature
Because when you're immobile you already know that you won't have the stickiness to permaslow So no, frozen mallet isn't designed for immobile melees
Ahristocats1 votesand? Yasuo and gnar aren't the only one who can be in combat for 4 seconds, and everyone in teamfight can be in combat for 4 seconds
you're maybe forgetting that in combat means taking/dealing damage
Dormidon3 votes[{quoted}](name=playfive Koopska,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fcqAIesu,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2016-12-27T11:58:59.314+0000)
and? Yasuo and gnar aren't the only one who can be in combat for 4 seconds, and everyone in teamfight can be in combat for 4 seconds
you're maybe forgetting that in combat means taking/dealing damage
Ye and when you're in combat for 4 seconds you get the same old FM like it used to be all time before. Such tragedy
ZephyrDrake3 votesso pretty much change it into a "never buy this item because why would you ever want to get a slow that only activates after this stupid amount of time" you will not even bother buying this item then. There are no champions that care about a slow that delayed
Ahristocats2 votes
go into teamfight, get in combat for 4 seconds
hook the enemy adc, use frozen mallet
by noway it's a freekill or a free win, but 50% slow on attacks will actually helps you to win
ZephyrDrake1 votes[{quoted}](name=playfive Koopska,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fcqAIesu,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-12-27T12:10:54.096+0000)
hook the enemy adc, use frozen mallet
by noway it's a freekill or a free win, but 50% slow on attacks will actually helps you to win
or i can just do the exact same thing with him buying an actual item and kill the enemy faster or force him to run away like a scaredy cat without needing to waste money on garbage items
ACENOX1 votesit's garbage because it gives 700 hp and 30 AD, not because of the passive, but if you buff it by giving relevant stats than the item is going to be broken because of the CURRENT passive
which is why you need to rework the passive
ZephyrDrake1 votesit's garbage because it gives 700 hp and 30 AD, not because of the passive, but if you buff it by giving relevant stats than the item is going to be broken because of the CURRENT passive
which is why you need to rework the passive
sorry but making the passive be worthless is not the answer. You can change the stats it gives, you can weaken the slow. You pretty much making the passive be a complete joke would not help the item in the slightest
WoonStruck3 votesThis would make it so only the champs already abusing it could use it effectively.
Junkο2 votes0r you could just cut the slow in half like with Rylai's so the actual problem gets fixed...
WoonStruck1 votesThe slow itself isn't the problem. Its specifically the champions using it 
based on the stats it provides.
Both make stellar use of it because both are overloaded champions with stats/mechanics shoved up their ass in the name of Riot's idea of fun.
Junkο1 votesNo they both abuse it for exactly the same reason. Yasuo's mobility/Gnar's MS + possible Phage + FM slow gives them insane sticking power. It needs to be nerfed for the exact same reason TF was changed from slowing on every AA to giving you a MS boost LONG ago; a huge perma slow on champions with insane sticking power (which back then was literally anyone who could build TF) is overpowered.
WoonStruck1 votesIt wasn't even about sticking power. It was about the RNG perma-slow.
It made trading in lane very binary and solely up to RNG and the inevitable stat-check that followed.
It was the RNG and stat-check that made the slow an issue.
What are Gnar and Yasuo really good at? Stat-checking. This is part of why they do so well with Frozen Mallet while others do not.
If it was just based on stickiness/stat check on non-overloaded champs, you'd think Irelia, Jax, or even the borderline overloaded champs like Fiora would buy it.
Its not about how sticky the champion is before Frozen Mallet. Its about how oppressive/ungated they are once in range. Gnar/Yasuo have essentially no gating and are extremely oppressive when you can't just turn and kill them right away.
Ahristocats2 votesRylai has nothing to do with Mallet
Mallet is garbage, and abused in some case that are gnar and yasuo. If someone buys mallet it means that he's already winning and he doesn't need it anyway to win, if he's losing mallet is so expensive by the time he gets it he's going to get destroyed even more because until he has it, he doesn't have stats due to the clunky build path
Rylai on the other hand had none of such issues, and was good everytime on every mages.
But If we buff frozen mallet we already know what will happen and that's why OP is trying to fixe the toxicity of Mallet
WoonStruck1 votesYou'd almost certainly need Mallet to scale with base attack damage if its got a respectable stat-set and passive.
Otherwise, it would most likely end up another defensive ADC item (and continue to get abused by champs like Yasuo/Gnar) and get nerfed to a state where its not worth picking up, much like Sterak's; might still end up nerfed the same way Sterak's did even with base AD.
All of the 'intended' users have pretty good base AD anyway, so no harm in switching from bonus to base.
Ahristocats1 votesthat's a great idea
Junkο1 votesRylai was garbage until it got buffed to abuse level. Just like FM was garbage until Fervor was introduced to allow TF/Iceborn+full tank builds.
And how expensive Mallet is isn't an issue. Gnar is a ranged top laner, while Yasuo will build PD first, and the item he normally builds after PD is more expensive than Mallet. Also by the time Gnar even gets behind he will most likely have all the components for FM already anyway since everybody rushes it as a first item.
Ahristocats2 votesMallet is never built in lcs, Rylai was built in lcs on elise vlad and xerath in 2013
tell me more how garbage it was, it had A NICHE, either slowing people or a bruiser item working as intended until it gave 100 ap
that's like giving 80 AD and 400 hp to frozen mallet, suddenly ADC will build it
Ralanr1 votesThe only time you buy Mallet when losing is if you're Sion and dying often.
Ad Vitam Aeterna1 votesNot going to happen and you look foolish debating it with two of your accounts. We all know they are both you, or your boyfriend.
Yaśuo Main1 votes50% slow
30% SLOW FOR RANGED?
fucking retarded idea
Catastrop1 votesADC's would abuse the crap out of this.
Dormidon1 votesADC's would abuse the crap out of this.
Are you retarded? It meant to be 30% slow. This is how it works usualy. (even now)
Catastrop1 votesYou chipped 300g off the price, which ADC not named 
, wouldn't like a relatively cheap item that effectively makes it so they never have to worry about melees?