Remember all those "off builds" we had in season 3?

To be fair, AP Yi, AP Sion and AP Rek'Sai were sorta bullshit.

On the other point, you have to balance for a champions best role. In the case of Warwick he wasn't pushed into a jungle role. He was OP in the jungle role and had to be nerfed. When the playstyle is the same for two roles, nerfing one cannot help but nerf the other.

AP yi is back, cowsep made vid on it and since he play yi he has to be right, right?

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I remember fondly playing stuff like ap yi or ap sion back in my earlier league days... nowadays when a champion has a build path or playstyle that rito doesnt approve of it is immediately nerfed into oblivion so we have to play the game how they want it to be played and there is no room for creativity. I cant even play top Warwick anymore because the nerfs on him crippled his laning and forced him into an exclusive jungle role and he is utterly useless anywhere else. I had a lot of fun playing sniper ap reksai too before his ap ratio got trashed. This is just one of many example. Sad times we live in.

but lets face facts that both ap yi and ap sion were ridiculously broken mechanics in the game, I mean both were extremely fun, but just really broken

This is heresy! It is clear that the Bardungle is the only true path for our glorious celestial overlord. Yea, though his first clear was slow, verily his ganks were most surprising and effective. And his ultimate the pure manifestation of his duality -- the Bard ult giveth pentakills, and the Bard ult taketh away pentakills.

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Maybe you're just not looking for them hard enough.

http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/miss-supportune-guide-435286

Cough.

By definition, off builds are by-product builds. Adding, for example, AP ratios that would go largely unused to a mostly AD champion seems to be what you are asking for here, facilitating them being build in a different (albeit usually less effective) manner.

not sure about support. But the last time Miss fortune got a mini rework, I definitely remembered a Mage Fortune build. Riot gave her Q an AP ratio, deciding that their was nothing wrong with the off build. (Though I certainly don't recall people using it right now.)

but off builds are by-products, so riot shouldn't intentionally add an off build, when reworking a champions kit. Though if I recall correctly Riot supports off builds mostly when they offer different powerspikes, (while keeping the champions primary function intacked.) And only a few champs have very different play styles (thinking mostly of Shako) whether they build AD or AP.

Dunno how well it will work with no mana pots though

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They are hard to balance, though there are some that already exist:

AP Varus (which is actually getting a huge buff with his ult applying 3 stacks of Blight) Mage Fortune AD Jungle Malzahar AD/AP Ezreal AD/AP Gangplank AD/AP TF Tank Annie AP Rengar Devourer Tahm Kench

And then there are a few others which I really WANT to try but are not very good. Vel'Kritz, for example. His crit animation is amazing and it's a shame it's virtually never used.

mage fortune is fun, I run her in my 3v3 games, the wave clear is amazing with luden's

AD gangplank is more like the default. Sort of.

Mageplank is the only way I prefer to play gangplank. None expect the global ult to murder from afar. It's always fun to see enemies flash out of just 3 waves of the ult.