The juggernaut jg item seems like it needs some help. Why not change the item so that on top of the hp it gives you it also had the atmas passive, but for both AP and AD. This would work especially well because many tanks are hybrids in some way. For example, Rammus wants attack damage even though he uses AP and so does Maokai and Xin shao. It gives a boost that rewards natural tankiness and already using items like catalyst stones and warmogs.
Yay or nay?
Talamare2 votesI want it back but I don't feel Juggernaut would be a good choice
Juggernaut should be AD/AP Neutral
redniwediS1 votesPerhaps an Atma's like effect could go well on an elixir or something, but I doubt it would be added to an item again.
Sightless661 votesSo, two problems. First, this would be heavily rewarding to tanks that can use both stats, which would put them in a position above tanks that can't. It would also help bruisers a lot more than it would help tanks. Neither of these are particularly desirable.
Second, the entire problem with Atma's was the old passive. Giving people a damage reward for building as tanky as possible is not good design, unless it is built into a kit. Back when Atma's was strong, it was a major problem because a bruiser could pick up the item and build as tanky as he wanted while also having enough damage to be a threat. The old meta golem and fratmog's builds were extremely annoying to play against because someone could get ahead, be unkillable because they had nothing but tank, and still rip a hole through your team.
If you build tanky, you should be getting tankiness. If you want damage and tankiness, you either get a damage item or you get an item like sunfire which isn't as efficient for defense as other options. There has to be a trade-off. If I'm getting everything I need from one source and eliminating all my weaknesses, that's bad design.
Atma's old passive should not be on any items. There are better ways to reward champions for building tanky.
