Why I think Zoe is weak currently

z63XnLCMwX·Nov 23, 2017·3 votes·1,344 views

The biggest complaint I have about Zoe is her W. Yes, while it allows her to cast summoner spells without a theoretical cool down, it actually limits her kit to 3 spells. her W serves as her ult because of how long it actually takes to collect a shard and a useful shard instead of getting Smite, Clarity, or non-useful situational spells. Yes there are times when you get decent summoners consecutively, but there's times that only useless summoners shows up. I think in her current state, even LB is stronger.

19 Comments

BeatzBoyFTWNov 23, 20173 votes

You must have been fighting against a bunch of shit Zoe players. Just played a game where her Q, if not paid attention to, can easily chunked close to 50% of my ADC's hp.

z63XnLCMwXNov 23, 20171 votes

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You must have been fighting against a bunch of shit Zoe players. Just played a game where her Q, if not paid attention to, can easily chunked close to 50% of my ADC's hp.

Any other mage can chunk 50% of an adc's HP if not paid attention to. I dont see how this is a valid point.

BeatzBoyFTWNov 23, 20171 votes

Then technically, she's not weak. Plus her W makes her real tricky & cunning to play against. Sometimes I didn't paid attention to what her W does, which most of the times made me ended up getting hit by a long ranged Q, especially when combined with her ult.

z63XnLCMwXNov 23, 20171 votes

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Then technically, she's not weak. Plus her W makes her real tricky & cunning to play against. Sometimes I didn't paid attention to what her W does, which most of the times made me ended up getting hit by a long ranged Q, especially when combined with her ult.

you can literally see the summoner spell that she has.

BeatzBoyFTWNov 23, 20171 votes

I'm still new to this champion since she was only released two days ago, means I'm still trying to get the hang of how her kit works , so technically I can't complained about giving her buffs or nerfs since players needs a lot more time to access her style. I advice that you should reflect on this too.

z63XnLCMwXNov 23, 20171 votes

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I'm still new to this champion since she was only released two days ago, means I'm still trying to get the hang of how her kit works , so technically I can't complained about giving her buffs or nerfs since players needs a lot more time to access her style. I advice that you should reflect on this too.

It only takes 5-10 games to understand how the champion works. You people said the same thing about on release ornn but guess what? He was weak until riot buffed him.

BeatzBoyFTWNov 23, 20171 votes

And the rest? The whole NA server? What about the whole Eu, Garena, etc? You really think everyone can already catch up for 5-10 games in like what, 2 days? What about those who're actually busy with their lives that they don't have time to play for about the first 5 days of release? Don't get cocky there. Released champions requires at least a couple of weeks for a better accurate statistics.

Ornn was honestly quite weak throughout many patches of him getting buffed. Like why pick him when Chogath & Sion just does better jobs than him. Still unsure of his current strength with Runes Reforged.

Unreformed ShacoNov 23, 20171 votes

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You must have been fighting against a bunch of shit Zoe players. Just played a game where her Q, if not paid attention to, can easily chunked close to 50% of my ADC's hp.

A. Can be blocked. B. Predictable C. Only reliable source of damage.

GeneralistNov 23, 20172 votes

This is the trade off you have for gwtting a third summoner spell. Most people myself included can work absolute magic with a third summoner spell available. The way your wording it you want an assassin that has three summoner spells can you imagine how broken that would be? She wasn't designed as an assasin she's a mage and more in the mold of syndra & orianna that have hard cc.

reportmepls123Nov 23, 20171 votes

clarity is most good :)

Malix FarwinNov 23, 20171 votes

There are a lot of champions like that have an ability that is gimmicky. I recommend actually practicing more than a couple days before you try to make an informed opinion on her. As as her W itself goes, it is actually quite good, not only do you get a lot of useful summoner spell but also item spells as well, Redemption and heal i feel are especially good in teamfights.

ŚhunpoNov 23, 20171 votes

Hahahaha. So you think a champion with an extremely long range, an amazing CC ability AND the ability to pick up and use summoner spells and actives from items is weak? That's hilarious.

Alkis9Nov 23, 20171 votes

There is also one point about her w that i haven't seen being adressed at all. It gives movespeed when you use a summoner spell (or active item) either your own or what you picked up. That isn't all that usefull early - mid but as the game goes on and you start giving more points to w, the movement speed and the extra damage are actually really useful. I've been finding myself zooming during teamfights and spamming my low cd skills to poke and if i land an e to a carry assasinate them.

Malix FarwinNov 23, 20171 votes

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There is also one point about her w that i haven't seen being adressed at all. It gives movespeed when you use a summoner spell (or active item) either your own or what you picked up. That isn't all that usefull early - mid but as the game goes on and you start giving more points to w, the movement speed and the extra damage are actually really useful. I've been finding myself zooming during teamfights and spamming my low cd skills to poke and if i land an e to a carry assasinate them.

Another thing people often forget is her passive which procs on every spell you cast which actually chunks a good amount of the enemy's HP. Mix that with a lich bane and it is a good amount of damage just by using W and AA, regardless of the spell you picked up.

z63XnLCMwXNov 23, 20171 votes

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Another thing people often forget is her passive which procs on every spell you cast which actually chunks a good amount of the enemy's HP. Mix that with a lich bane and it is a good amount of damage just by using W and AA, regardless of the spell you picked up.

Her AA range is 525. no mage would go close to her AA range if they can help it. She's pretty much useless pre-6.

ElkingtonNov 23, 20171 votes

People said the same about Jayce when he was released. Give people a chance to learn how to play her.

Unreformed ShacoNov 23, 20171 votes

Previous posts being said, I think she is very strong, but also has huge weaknesses. No escapes and a predictable kit makes her very easy to beat.

EleshakaiNov 23, 20171 votes

I think, more likely, the problem is that most people simply have not yet learned how to properly use her.

Winek ChanNov 23, 20171 votes

My concern on Zoe is far from being her W, it's her Q AoE effect, that I believe needs a small buff. It's just too fucking simple to outplay a Zoe it's pathetic