Oh my gosh the anger and rage of Akali mains..

dakota saturn··9 votes·1,775 views

A lot of the assassin mains are pissed about the respective reworks (Except Rengar :P). I main LeBlanc, and the LeBlancmains subreddit are mostly just depressed people shuffling around trying to salvage their old playstyle, while trying to open dialog with 20thcenturyfaux.

But man, go on the Akalimains subreddit, and there are people who are literally spewing death threats at Rickless and trying to get him fired. I was shocked at how threats of irl violence are upvoted, even if I can empathize with the frustration. I've had my share of champions 'remade' (i.e. deleted from the game and replaced with quasi-clones).

https://www.reddit.com/r/akalimains/comments/5daupa/alright_ive_had_enough_of_this_shit_my_last_post/

The rage and ire of an entire community would be funny, if they didn't actually break her knees and legitimately make her useless.

I'd never want to be a developer or in charge of a huge company like that - this is a community of people where they'd shoot him on sight if they saw him walking down the street. I don't envy this guy's position at all. I'm also glad I wasn't invested in this character.

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Penns4 votes

"Her ult does less damage so it isnt as unique as it once was" kappa

Also Ive seen quite some Akali players so far and all of them still did more than enough damage lol

dakota saturn1 votes

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"Her ult does less damage so it isnt as unique as it once was" kappa

Also Ive seen quite some Akali players so far and all of them still did more than enough damage lol

Regardless of her current balance state, there are people who are -FURIOUS- about the changes. And it's hard to argue with her being the lowest winrate champion in the entire game right now, even moreso than Kalista who was purposely broken intentionally.

Again, what is the reason for the downvotes?

Penns1 votes

Well I remember Darius or Swain being that too after their class reworks and we know what happened after some buffs to them..

Ralanr1 votes

Honestly I never found her ult to be unique. Her shroud seems to be the most unique part.

I've seen Akali still stomp hard, but I imagine it doesn't feel the same for people that mained her.

Sad byproduct of reworks really.

Penns1 votes

Her ult is just a dash.. The "ammo" system kind of makes it semi-unique but that didnt even get changed, so yeah. Id imagine she doesnt feel the same anymore since, like Fizz, she lost quite a big part of her dps (tho her low cooldowns are pretty much "dps" lol). But at least she is getting changed after her rework item 3070

Ralanr1 votes

Was Fizz more dps or burst focused?

Penns1 votes

He had both, which was the cool thing about him. In lane, if people survived your burst or if you just didnt hit your ult you could actually aa to do something. Now he is 100% burst/ult focused which sux in a cotc/heals/moar shields meta..

Ralanr1 votes

Isn't that a problem? If he has decent enough dps that he can still kill his target without burst, then he doesn't really have a window of weakness does he?

Penns1 votes

I mean, he was pretty suck after the nerfs in 6.12 anyway, so not really, no. The dps wasnt THAT high for a melee almost-glass cannon. It just allowed him to not be completely useless after someone got 1 item and/or summoner spell to survive his burst.

Big Lincoln2 votes

why am i not surprised akali mains are angry low IQ baboons

why do redditors make their posts wordy just to seem smart, lol

dakota saturn1 votes

Why downvotes? How is anything I said not true?

Ralanr1 votes

It's more that you're opening some wounds.

dakota saturn1 votes

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It's more that you're opening some wounds.

I'm drawing attention to the issue since some people are clearly very passionate about it and upset. They're not getting any communication from the devs and I imagine that's pretty frustrating. LeBlanc mains haven't gotten anything from 20th either.

I was just so surprised how much more volatile the Akali playerbase is compared to the LeBlanc one.

Critkeeper2 votes

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Why downvotes? How is anything I said not true?

because akali is garbage and RIOT deserves all the heat they are getting

dakota saturn1 votes

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because akali is garbage and RIOT deserves all the heat they are getting

I agree she's garbage and I agree people have a right to be pissed. I was pissed when they deleted Eve and when they remade LeBlanc. I was and still am pissed at the lack of communication to fix her issues. I empathize with Akali players and I'm trying to help expose the issue.

But the death threats & trying to get him fired is going too far imo.

Critkeeper1 votes

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I agree she's garbage and I agree people have a right to be pissed. I was pissed when they deleted Eve and when they remade LeBlanc. I was and still am pissed at the lack of communication to fix her issues. I empathize with Akali players and I'm trying to help expose the issue.

But the death threats & trying to get him fired is going too far imo.

welcome to the internet, enjoy your stay

dakota saturn1 votes

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welcome to the internet, enjoy your stay

I just think it's in poor taste, and bad judgment to post stuff like that.

People have gotten arrested for posting things like that on facebook and charged with harassment. And it's also very likely gonna just make whoever you're directing it towards never listen to you again.

People were being jerkish on the LeBlanc forums to 20th, and I was explaining the same thing there as well. It's not just one person who makes these decisions.

the weeaboo1 votes

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Why downvotes? How is anything I said not true?

The Alkali mains are down voting you.

dakota saturn1 votes

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The Alkali mains are down voting you.

But I'm agreeing with them that she's awful and I want her to be reverted even though I don't play her, or even like her.

Downvoting a topic to raise awareness that she is trash as an Akali main is shooting yourself in the foot.

Belisarius091 votes

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Why downvotes? How is anything I said not true?

You've stigmatized an entire community. While many of us are critical of rick, the vast majority of us don't level death threats at people. Do I personally believe rick should be fired? Yes, but not because he "ruined akali". I believe he should be fired because he blundered, in a rework "not intended to be a nerf" she was gutted and had her WR drop by 10%. Thats a fuck up. If I was entrusted to negotiate a contract at my firm and not greatly weaken our side of the agreement, but just make some adjustments, and the result of my negotiations was an unintended loss of 10% market share for our client you can be sure as hell i'd catch flak for that.

The vast majority of us are in the same spot as the leblanc community. Saddened and trying to make best of the situation. But at least we didn't stoop to your level, of demonizing an entire demographic of players and throwing it up on the boards like this to say "hey look at these guys! how messed up right??!"

dakota saturn1 votes

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You've stigmatized an entire community. While many of us are critical of rick, the vast majority of us don't level death threats at people. Do I personally believe rick should be fired? Yes, but not because he "ruined akali". I believe he should be fired because he blundered, in a rework "not intended to be a nerf" she was gutted and had her WR drop by 10%. Thats a fuck up. If I was entrusted to negotiate a contract at my firm and not greatly weaken our side of the agreement, but just make some adjustments, and the result of my negotiations was an unintended loss of 10% market share for our client you can be sure as hell i'd catch flak for that.

The vast majority of us are in the same spot as the leblanc community. Saddened and trying to make best of the situation. But at least we didn't stoop to your level, of demonizing an entire demographic of players and throwing it up on the boards like this to say "hey look at these guys! how messed up right??!"

Eh if that's how it came off that wasn't the intention - it was mostly just to show how badly one group of people got screwed over another. My main point was to say I don't envy his position with this many disgruntled players who now hate him. I'm sure that if LB's winrate dropped as much as Akali's did, you can be certain that r/LeBlancmains would be seething and out for blood too. Anyone would act the same if their own champ got dumpstered like Akali did.

It's not a matter of 'hey guys look at them!', it's more like let's try to figure out a more civil way to get our point across. There are topics on the LB forum that call out the dude responsible there as well, when there is a team behind the changes, not a single person. I want to believe that all of the people who worked on the assassin update were forced to work under strict guidelines - i.e. the champ's main damage must be gated behind some kind of delay, and the mobility of all of the assassin champions has to be neutered.

Everyone who got changed is upset because the people who actually play the champions didn't get any input on the changes - they just did whatever they felt like for the benefit of ADCs. If I came off as holier than thou, then I apologize, and I think that eventually we as assassin players need to come together and demonstrate that having this entire game revolve around ADCs and -ONLY- ADCs is unacceptable.

Belisarius091 votes

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Eh if that's how it came off that wasn't the intention - it was mostly just to show how badly one group of people got screwed over another. My main point was to say I don't envy his position with this many disgruntled players who now hate him. I'm sure that if LB's winrate dropped as much as Akali's did, you can be certain that r/LeBlancmains would be seething and out for blood too. Anyone would act the same if their own champ got dumpstered like Akali did.

It's not a matter of 'hey guys look at them!', it's more like let's try to figure out a more civil way to get our point across. There are topics on the LB forum that call out the dude responsible there as well, when there is a team behind the changes, not a single person. I want to believe that all of the people who worked on the assassin update were forced to work under strict guidelines - i.e. the champ's main damage must be gated behind some kind of delay, and the mobility of all of the assassin champions has to be neutered.

Everyone who got changed is upset because the people who actually play the champions didn't get any input on the changes - they just did whatever they felt like for the benefit of ADCs. If I came off as holier than thou, then I apologize, and I think that eventually we as assassin players need to come together and demonstrate that having this entire game revolve around ADCs and -ONLY- ADCs is unacceptable.

I can see your point, in how rickless in a sense is almost the scapegoat in this mess. As you say he was likely working under guidelines as were the other devs working on assassins for the assassin rework, so there's more blame to go around. That said he isn't blameless, he had a hand in this mess.

I agree this gating of damage, not just on akali but on the other assassins as well, primarily benefits adcs. As assassins keep adc's in check like scissors to paper. Indeed you can see a trend where Riot has across the board (except maybe w/ rengar and kha) reduced or delayed up front damage of assassins and tried to compensate for it in other ways. (talon can jump over walls! akali has a gimmicky blink in her shroud! wow!). I think its safe to say the respective communities feel wholly unsatisfied with these compensating elements. Furthermore it is telling that in these reworks "not intended as nerfs" the winrates of these champions have plummeted. This indicates Riot swung and missed.

I think there's also a fair amount of frustration stemming from Riot's reluctance to admit when they've made mistakes. Hell it took an entire season of the entire playerbase bitching about the changes to ranked for Riot to bring back solo/duo q and even then they won't admit they were wrong.

I agree the various assassin communities best course of action is to band together so our voices will be louder, so we can make riot hear us. Not issue death threats or take actions that will get us ignored.

dakota saturn1 votes

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I can see your point, in how rickless in a sense is almost the scapegoat in this mess. As you say he was likely working under guidelines as were the other devs working on assassins for the assassin rework, so there's more blame to go around. That said he isn't blameless, he had a hand in this mess.

I agree this gating of damage, not just on akali but on the other assassins as well, primarily benefits adcs. As assassins keep adc's in check like scissors to paper. Indeed you can see a trend where Riot has across the board (except maybe w/ rengar and kha) reduced or delayed up front damage of assassins and tried to compensate for it in other ways. (talon can jump over walls! akali has a gimmicky blink in her shroud! wow!). I think its safe to say the respective communities feel wholly unsatisfied with these compensating elements. Furthermore it is telling that in these reworks "not intended as nerfs" the winrates of these champions have plummeted. This indicates Riot swung and missed.

I think there's also a fair amount of frustration stemming from Riot's reluctance to admit when they've made mistakes. Hell it took an entire season of the entire playerbase bitching about the changes to ranked for Riot to bring back solo/duo q and even then they won't admit they were wrong.

I agree the various assassin communities best course of action is to band together so our voices will be louder, so we can make riot hear us. Not issue death threats or take actions that will get us ignored.

Well said. The gimmicks are not enough compensation when they can't do their intended job late game.

It's going to take a few months of ADCs dominating all roles to see meaningful changes, and it's going to take more than just assassin players to actually affect any real change - it's going to take all types of players, including ADCs themselves to see that the balance of power is being skewed heavily in one direction right now. Skin and Champion sales are probably going to be the main driving force behind it, and when other roles (Tanks, Mages, and Fighters) start to rise up and complain about ADCs taking their own respective roles, maybe we will see something happen.

But as you said, given Riot's stance on prior controversial issues, it will take a long, long time :\

Jesus Is My King1 votes

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Eh if that's how it came off that wasn't the intention - it was mostly just to show how badly one group of people got screwed over another. My main point was to say I don't envy his position with this many disgruntled players who now hate him. I'm sure that if LB's winrate dropped as much as Akali's did, you can be certain that r/LeBlancmains would be seething and out for blood too. Anyone would act the same if their own champ got dumpstered like Akali did.

It's not a matter of 'hey guys look at them!', it's more like let's try to figure out a more civil way to get our point across. There are topics on the LB forum that call out the dude responsible there as well, when there is a team behind the changes, not a single person. I want to believe that all of the people who worked on the assassin update were forced to work under strict guidelines - i.e. the champ's main damage must be gated behind some kind of delay, and the mobility of all of the assassin champions has to be neutered.

Everyone who got changed is upset because the people who actually play the champions didn't get any input on the changes - they just did whatever they felt like for the benefit of ADCs. If I came off as holier than thou, then I apologize, and I think that eventually we as assassin players need to come together and demonstrate that having this entire game revolve around ADCs and -ONLY- ADCs is unacceptable.

id like to say, when you play a champion for 64 days straight. as a main, as in play this game for 64 days worth of time in one champion. and have it nerfed the way it was... all that time... all 64 days are gone in a moment. time you cant get back, and people learn from that. no wonder they were mad.

FioraWillCarry1 votes

I was a former Akali main. Decided to give this new one a try a couple days ago and holy shit. They completely gutted her. I mean she felt absolutely useless. No respectable damage whatsoever. No way I'm ever playing her in a serious game again.

DrCyanide1 votes

Look at the patch notes, they're buffing her damage scaling across the board.

FioraWillCarry1 votes

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Look at the patch notes, they're buffing her damage scaling across the board.

I read all patch notes when they're are published, including the latest one. To be honest, I don't think those damage buffs are enough. She needs more base damage. Ever seen the damage Leblanc or Rengar could put out with zero damage items ? Leblanc could take you for more than 3/4 of your HP with just item 1056. Akali in her current form cannot even come close to that kind of damage.

dakota saturn2 votes

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I read all patch notes when they're are published, including the latest one. To be honest, I don't think those damage buffs are enough. She needs more base damage. Ever seen the damage Leblanc or Rengar could put out with zero damage items ? Leblanc could take you for more than 3/4 of your HP with just item 1056. Akali in her current form cannot even come close to that kind of damage.

To be fair, it was always like that. Akali had a very weak early game before too, and LB always had the ability to chunk the opponent down to 1/2 HP or lower with doran's ring. Akali had to actually get pretty fed and farmed to come even close to LB's damage, but was compensated with stealth and sustain.

FioraWillCarry1 votes

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To be fair, it was always like that. Akali had a very weak early game before too, and LB always had the ability to chunk the opponent down to 1/2 HP or lower with doran's ring. Akali had to actually get pretty fed and farmed to come even close to LB's damage, but was compensated with stealth and sustain.

She had a huge powerspike at level 6 which made up for her pre-6 weaknesses. However, the rework nerfed her ult damage hard which was overkill considering even with her pre-nerf damage on her ult, she was still struggling to find damage after level 6 when she has no completed items.

dakota saturn1 votes

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She had a huge powerspike at level 6 which made up for her pre-6 weaknesses. However, the rework nerfed her ult damage hard which was overkill considering even with her pre-nerf damage on her ult, she was still struggling to find damage after level 6 when she has no completed items.

This is an unpopular opinion, but I've found her early game/laning damage was boosted quite a bit. I actually was scared of her in lane a bit pre-six when she used to be a complete non-factor. It's the same thing with LB - she's much stronger in lane - the clunkiness really hurts after laning phase ends.

FioraWillCarry1 votes

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This is an unpopular opinion, but I've found her early game/laning damage was boosted quite a bit. I actually was scared of her in lane a bit pre-six when she used to be a complete non-factor. It's the same thing with LB - she's much stronger in lane - the clunkiness really hurts after laning phase ends.

That early game damage is difficult to get off, it requires you to get off a second auto for her 2 hit passive. No one is gonna stand there and let you walk up to them and out them twice.

dakota saturn1 votes

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That early game damage is difficult to get off, it requires you to get off a second auto for her 2 hit passive. No one is gonna stand there and let you walk up to them and out them twice.

True, but if Akali makes her shroud right on top of your minions and bullies you with the threat of getting that passive off if you try to CS, it forces the enemy to choose between missing CS or taking a big dmg chunk.

The zoning isn't as good as it was when she could throw the shroud out ahead, but with the blink, she has more of a buffer to walk closer to the enemy now if they try to throw a skillshot at her.

Maximum Morde1 votes

Fuck reddit.

Jesus Is My King1 votes

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA this post XD there is 0 death threats in that post.

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