What if items with Mana got their Mana converted into a gold equivalent amount of Health on manaless champs? Obviously it wouldn't work for items like 
but it would be nice for items like 
on manaless champs like 
. I just want some better options as an AP bruiser, since that subclass doesn't get much love.
Step Sis Lux5 votesHell no, i can already see 
with 
Kelg1 votes[{quoted}](name=Step Sis Lux,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fAxmhYwv,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-06-13T12:21:33.178+0000)
Hell no, i can already see
Could adjust champs if they become too strong. It would just be nice to have more options.
DrCyanide2 votesIf they have to adjust champions over it, then you're enforcing situations where manaless champions have to build a mana based build to be balanced. That's counter intuitive and wrong on so many levels.
Kelg1 votesIf they have to adjust champions over it, then you're enforcing situations where manaless champions have to build a mana based build to be balanced. That's counter intuitive and wrong on so many levels.
I don't see them building these items tbh. It's not like you're going to build glory/frozen heart on kat or something.
DrCyanide2 votesI don't see them building these items tbh. It's not like you're going to build glory/frozen heart on kat or something.
If you don't see them building these items then why bother converting mana to health at all?
Kelg1 votesIf you don't see them building these items then why bother converting mana to health at all?
Like I said in OP, for champs like .
DrCyanide2 votesAnd like I said, it doesn't make sense to force a manaless champion into mana item builds because a particular item combination ends up being too strong and gets the champion nerfed.
You're arguing it would diversify builds. I'm arguing that it could restrict builds after the inevitable nerfs come.
Jarring1 voteshe's right you know. if they did this, it would make lich bane a priority on kat and you'd probably see kats getting it first item, if not at least second. then you nerf kat because of the item, and you have a shitty situation where there were lots of kats who don't even like to auto.
Oleandervine2 votesThis is a hard no. We don't need shit like Tank Yasuo, Tank Akali, Tank Zed, Tank Katarina, and god knows who else because they decide to build items with mana.
BLACK REALM GOD1 voteswhy not make it attack speed?
Kelg1 votes[{quoted}](name=BLACK REALM GOD,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fAxmhYwv,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-06-13T12:18:38.262+0000)
why not make it attack speed?
Because health makes more sense. Every champ can use more health, not every champ can utilize attack speed.
BLACK REALM GOD1 votesBecause health makes more sense. Every champ can use more health, not every champ can utilize attack speed.
uh... but attack speed caps. health on the other hand... could you imagine mordekaiser blue?
Kelg1 votes[{quoted}](name=BLACK REALM GOD,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fAxmhYwv,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-13T12:57:21.382+0000)
uh... but attack speed caps. health on the other hand... could you imagine mordekaiser blue?
I said in the OP that wouldn't work. You can already build full health + damage morde (
) and it's not op or anything. You can actually build this on kat and friends too so it's not like my suggestion would break the game.
BLACK REALM GOD2 votesI said in the OP that
- would break early game.
- now grants hp so fighters like garen start picking it up and zed for defense
- more trade potential for fighters and spell casters allowing them to sustain in lane.
- now becomes tank katarina.
- becomes super tanky plus tons of damage
- tankyyyyy
- zac and kennen support start showing up.
- pyke. shen. zed. shyvanna.
trust me. attack speed would at least be a little balanced.
Warlord Rhinark1 votesTurn the mana into crit chance
/s
Jarring1 votesyou can still get lich on morde if you really want... tbh the 250 mana on it isn't even that big of a deal in comparison to what people actually use it for. I see triforce the same way, cept for cases like EZs in which you also build mana for manamune and seraph's. like if you're at the point where you might feel like it would be a good idea to get and use these items on a manaless champ, you probably could tbqh... the mana pool in LoL has always been super crazy large and forgiving to begin with, and isn't something people necessarily HAVE to itemize into like dota. in the end the flat AP among other benefits are what really brings the items their viability.