My problem with the Kogmaw Revert / Suggestion

Urf Mode Is Life·Sep 10, 2016·2 votes·240 views

Look i understand you feel his is overpowered, and rightfully so, but why not atleast try nerfing his W first by removing the extra damage it adds and just keeping the attack speed / range???

Why be so over dramatic and simply gut him to a previous state where you rioters feel he was in a good spot but realistically wasnt

Kogmaw is only a hyper carry when enemy teams dont counter pick with high CC champs... simply put a leona can shut down a kogmaw all day long.

Another option would be increase the cooldown of his W to be roughly double what it is that way there is a clear window of time where kogmaw can be engaged hard and taken out requiring kogmaw to actually not just spam his W active, but choose properly when to use it

10 Comments

EedatSep 10, 20162 votes

Here is the problems with Kog.

Even challenger level players can't orb walk with him effectively with his max attack speed. He's relegated to pressing W then stand in one spot
Every on-hit item in the game has to be balanced around Kog
He's a "late game hypercarry" that's very strong in the mid game too now

ParoeSep 10, 20161 votes

the %HP damage has always been a part of kogs kit is the thing...

Urf Mode Is LifeSep 10, 20161 votes

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the %HP damage has always been a part of kogs kit is the thing...

it has but when you can hit 5 times a second, that is something that needs to be looked at and possibly changed.

they could always make ALL DAMAGE do 55% like even the onhits... atleast trying to fix the numbers before a full revert would be appreciated

ParoeSep 10, 20161 votes

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it has but when you can hit 5 times a second, that is something that needs to be looked at and possibly changed.

they could always make ALL DAMAGE do 55% like even the onhits... atleast trying to fix the numbers before a full revert would be appreciated

Why on earth would you ever use an ability that gimps you THAT hard?

Urf Mode Is LifeSep 11, 20161 votes

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Why on earth would you ever use an ability that gimps you THAT hard?

Think about it for a second because you dont understand common sense... If you hit for 50% of your normal damage at TWICE the attack speed, you do the SAME DPS... at 55% of your normal damage at TWICE the attack speed, you do slightly MORE damage with the boosted range of his W.... so it still doesnt gimp you at all what so ever

ParoeSep 11, 20161 votes

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Think about it for a second because you dont understand common sense... If you hit for 50% of your normal damage at TWICE the attack speed, you do the SAME DPS... at 55% of your normal damage at TWICE the attack speed, you do slightly MORE damage with the boosted range of his W.... so it still doesnt gimp you at all what so ever

think about it for a moment because YOU lack common sense.

First of all: Armor interactions. Armor is very good at making low numbers hit lower. Second: 55% less. 45% DAMAGE REDUCTION. what, in the name of hell, makes you think that is attractive EVER? sure he does 10% more with his attack speed doubled, but thats 10% in a vaccuum. not counting HP and armor, its a massive damage reduction on its own. he would be building standard crit if a change like that occured because buying the onhits that make up his current identity wouldnt be viable options.

Listen dude, i know its hard to think about how videogames work through that filter of blind hate... But very few good players will ever choose double attack speed with 55% damage over 100% damage and lower attack speed. at the endgame when they have all the resources to just flat buy out all the gear they might, but for actual use its a really bad, newb trap build. that 10% paper DPS increase might just be mitigated hard by enemy resistances or simply become ineffective against squishies. Neither of those things need to happen, and should never happen in fact.

Urf Mode Is LifeSep 11, 20161 votes

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think about it for a moment because YOU lack common sense.

First of all: Armor interactions. Armor is very good at making low numbers hit lower. Second: 55% less. 45% DAMAGE REDUCTION. what, in the name of hell, makes you think that is attractive EVER? sure he does 10% more with his attack speed doubled, but thats 10% in a vaccuum. not counting HP and armor, its a massive damage reduction on its own. he would be building standard crit if a change like that occured because buying the onhits that make up his current identity wouldnt be viable options.

Listen dude, i know its hard to think about how videogames work through that filter of blind hate... But very few good players will ever choose double attack speed with 55% damage over 100% damage and lower attack speed. at the endgame when they have all the resources to just flat buy out all the gear they might, but for actual use its a really bad, newb trap build. that 10% paper DPS increase might just be mitigated hard by enemy resistances or simply become ineffective against squishies. Neither of those things need to happen, and should never happen in fact.

I was gonna read this until i saw your first sentence, yea not even gonna bother. You're a fool and a child

ParoeSep 11, 20161 votes

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I was gonna read this until i saw your first sentence, yea not even gonna bother. You're a fool and a child

Says the one throwing insults left, right and center.

Read the bolded bit if your sensibilities havent been hurt to much. Its the gist of the block; 10% paper DPS is fine in a vaccuum, but its not worth the burst lost. a kogmaw at 2.5asp with 100% damage vs 5.0 with 55%, the kogmaw with 2.5asp/100% will win. every time.