Lee sin......

CasterGilgamesh··2 votes·685 views

i know im not the only one who lets out an audible sigh every time i see him picked.ive hated lee sin since he first came out.ive hated his voice his overloaded kit his taunts his dance his name it self fuck i even hate jungle because of him because hes always in my fucking jungle like Shaco Udyr but at least riot nerfs them . but NOOOOOO we cant nerf lee sin even though he has an overfuckin loaded kit.someone please explain to me the logic behind not nerfing lee he is always_ there_.there is not a single point in this game where lee sin wasnt a good pick and this imaginary skill cap argument is just retarded.its about as retarded as vaynes imaginary weak early game or yasuo having a valid weakness or saying that fizz troll poll is healthy and not broken even though it can kill someone the second fizz falls off it.lee sin single handedly became his own tier of jungler were every other jungler had to fight for scraps.then we have junglers like Sejuani Gragas Evelynn who the second they have any spot light get nerfed to the ground along with their item LOLOLOL wtf is this shit riot nerf this cancer monk this walking joke is just old and stale. and here is a video of a pro discussing lee and his "weaknesses" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iQVnrAXV40

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Colgate Minuette3 votes

His winrate against every single jungle champ is less then 50%

He's not that good.

The champion has not had an over 50% win rate in MONTHS

Currently this very day his winrate is 48% two days ago it was 47% his lowest this month was 46% He's losing more then half of the games he's played in.

The player killer7traulll has 1433 games played as Lee Sin and is silver IV

His winrate in ALL TIERS is less then 50% including in bronze including in silver including in master including in everything.

This champion wins less then half his games he does not need a nerf furthermore if you check his matchup page: http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&type=jungle-matchup&range=monthly&map=sr&queue=1x1&league=ranked

He has a less then 50% winrate against every single jungle champion he has the lowest scores of any jungle champ right now this includes even pantheon who's a shit jungle. This champion does not need a nerf anyone who thinks so is delusional the only thing I think might be deserving of a very tiny nerf might be his AD ratio on his ult but even that being a thing he still is too weak compared to every other jungler. (STATISTICALLY SPEAKING) [slayer-jinx-unamused]

AyRe CoNteMpT2 votes

how about we make his ult have counterplay and buff some other shit? i mean, lee has one of the best jungle clears, some of the best early and midgame ganks, one of the best jungle-clear-scaling and his kick is probably the best ultimate in the game.

it is viable in ALL situations and has no counterplay. what is this shit? its literally the only reason he was always so strong and so feared and even tho the rest of his kit is also completely cancerous, his ultimate is what breaks him no matter how much you nerf numbers on everything else.

Colgate Minuette1 votes

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how about we make his ult have counterplay and buff some other shit? i mean, lee has one of the best jungle clears, some of the best early and midgame ganks, one of the best jungle-clear-scaling and his kick is probably the best ultimate in the game.

it is viable in ALL situations and has no counterplay. what is this shit? its literally the only reason he was always so strong and so feared and even tho the rest of his kit is also completely cancerous, his ultimate is what breaks him no matter how much you nerf numbers on everything else.

I would argue that Fiddlesticks has the best clear cause he will always be at full health

I would argue that Shaco has the fastest clear

I would argue that Elise has the best early and mid game ganks

And finally

I would argue that amummu has the best ultimate in the game (OR maybe ezreal cause low cooldown + mixed damage)

Lee Sins ult does have counterplay, for one, if you see the animation triggering flash to his other side the kick will continue and he'll send you toward where he's trying to run from you cutting him off. Second, don't stand in front of other champions stand to the side so the damage cannot be transferred to your teammates and lastly try to stand in front of thick walls if fighting in the jungle so he can't kick you over them. If he does, as long as you didn't die it doesn't matter if he got away he got nothing out of it.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

AyRe CoNteMpT2 votes

you would argue but you dont, thats why your points are invalid.

lee sin isnt the best at anything but hes extremely good at everything which makes him, you know, very good.

also, calling amumus and ezreals ults the best in the game.. wow xD what can i say? your credibility just crumbled.

last but not least, your "counterplay" options are really bad and stupid and your way of thinking is probably the main reason your elo is so low.

  1. once his animation starts, you are suppressed and cant flash anymore
  2. no champion in the game can follow a lee sin after he kicks you and unless he has only this one single path to walk away and no Q/W and you magically force him to kick you exactly into this path, he can just walk away
  3. having an uncounterable ability that serves as not only the best and most versatile offensive spell in the game but also one of the best escape/disengage spells in the game sounds like pretty bad design to me.

well, what can i say? you just gotta l2p very hard.

CasterGilgamesh1 votes

that win rate argument is invalid when everyone is fucking playing him they might as well be draging his win rate down at having a 33.76%pick rate also win rates dont mean much look at ramus http://champion.gg/champion/LeeSin

Colgate Minuette2 votes

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that win rate argument is invalid when everyone is fucking playing him they might as well be draging his win rate down at having a 33.76%pick rate also win rates dont mean much look at ramus http://champion.gg/champion/LeeSin

Just because he has more games played does not mean the statistics are less accurate. In fact it makes them MORE accurate. Larger sample pool to pull numbers from means more accurate numbers. Vayne has a 50% winrate most days (49% today) and she's as popular as Lee Sin is.

Wana talk about how you can really tell a champion is broken? Super high play rate and super high win rate. For example Miss Fortune is played in 22% of games played this month 22% of games contain a Miss Fortune player in them and she wins 54% of them. Over 50% win rate she wins more then half the games she's played in and she's POPULAR she's not like 3 games a day like maybe Yorick might be.

What about Brand? 55% winrate played in 10% of games (And gaining popularity) These are champions whos winrate is above 50% that signifys imbalance.

Any champion who has over 20% play rate with a 55%+ higher winrate shows unnatural strength. So let's talk about Miss Fortune, Brand , Mundo, and Tahm Kench first.

CasterGilgamesh1 votes

im not talking about those champions im talking about lee sin also i know mf tahm and moundo need nerfs brand needs nerfs even before the new masteries and right now for the thread alone we are talking about op lee sin is his high pick rate causes his win rate to go down.the others have high pick and win rates because they ARE broken as well but now everyone is using them since the things that are making them broken just came out .lee sin has been persistently broken for many many seasons and it needs to fucking stop now

Colgate Minuette2 votes

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im not talking about those champions im talking about lee sin also i know mf tahm and moundo need nerfs brand needs nerfs even before the new masteries and right now for the thread alone we are talking about op lee sin is his high pick rate causes his win rate to go down.the others have high pick and win rates because they ARE broken as well but now everyone is using them since the things that are making them broken just came out .lee sin has been persistently broken for many many seasons and it needs to fucking stop now

No, high pick rates do not cause OP champions winrates to fall. A balanced champions winrate might fall but not an OP. Miss Fortune and Brand are gaining a shit ton of popularity and their winrates are either staying the same or going UP. Lee sin has a low winrate because he's not as powerful as you think he is. Perhaps you think this because you play Soraka so much and she's insanely weak to gap closing champs like Lee, like Xin and like Yi. 206k champion mastery points in Soraka so I'm willing to be you see a lot of Lee Sin during those games and I'm willing to bet he kicks your shit every time cause she gets squashed by gap closers.

Next time you see a Lee Sin play Braum. Braum is the answer to gap closing champs like the ones mentioned above.

But furthermore again: Play rates do not impact the win rates of OP champions theproof is in Brand Tahm Mundo and Miss Fortune.

warpenguin5552 votes

dodge his q. there you go.

AyRe CoNteMpT1 votes

if his kick would be changed to have some sort of counterplay, i'd be happy

CasterGilgamesh1 votes

yeah like if it didn't suppress the target

SithesisLord1 votes

Shyvana summoner 11 summoner 3

  • Naturally tanky
  • Resourceless
  • Relatively large DoT on W
  • Debuff on E
  • AA empowering Q, that procs on item 3930 phantom hit
  • AD scalling magic damage
  • Dueling with her is insane, wether you´re playing Lee Sin or one of her counters
  • Near impossible to flee from
  • Displacement ult, perfect for stealling drake or baron

inb4 Shyvana's kit is too boring

Well, let me tell you right now, that some supposedly boring champions counter the flashy champions, one example being:

Kayle > Yasuo

CasterGilgamesh1 votes

first off lee sin will just kick shyv the second she ults to him then kill her when shes out of dragon form.lee sin will counter jungle shyv early keeping her from getting enough items to complement her natural tankyness

SithesisLord1 votes

Because pre-6 exhaust totally isn´t a thing.

The longer Lee Sin stays fighting with her, the worse it´ll be for him.

Even if Lee counter jungles her, she can counter jungle him just as fast and just as safe because of her natural tankyness.

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