Harass is now so strong it's become useless.

Metal Janna··2 votes·312 views

I main Orianna support, and her harass used to be one of her strongest traits (arguably even more than her zoning and shielding). As a support Orianna, you have to balance shielding your carry, with zoning out your lane opponents, with harassing to disrupt the enemy ADC's farming (and for those sweet sweet item 3303 procs).

All that changed when patch 7.22 hit. In this new meta, with everyone's early game damage jacked way up, it only takes one good poke where I land more than just Q before the enemy ADC realizes "There's no way i'm getting my farm with this much harass" and dives in for an all in. My ADC is in the same predicament with their Sona. Her pokes, which were already fairly strong, now do so much damage that he (or she) simply can't farm without first killing at least one of the enemy laners. This effectively makes early aggression the only strategy, which in turn means that my sustained damage is now useless. Burst damage is all that matters. We either burst them down 3 minutes in or they burst us down 3 minutes in.

Even worse, the sudden death nature of laning post-7.22 means that buying support items is now a waste of gold. Why buy item 3174 when you'll only get one or two pokes in before the big showdown? Why waste gold on HP/MP regen heavy items like item 3107 when laning consists of non-stop death battles where those effects won't have time to be useful? In this meta, sustaining is impossible, so building AP is far more important than building support items. The exception to this is vision, which remains important because the meta has pushed the junglers to hyper aggression as well. Please Riot: end the sudden death meta. Nerf damage across the board. Restore farming and strategic itemization to the Rift.

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MysterQ2 votes

I haven't played a real game yet, but my god intermediate bots in botlane are poking me out. Like what the hell lol. It was disgusting both of us being level 1 under turret with cannon wave slowly shoving in.

I am sure it will be fine if I try. But I was just shocked at my health being gone.

Moooose22 votes

{quoted}

I haven't played a real game yet, but my god intermediate bots in botlane are poking me out. Like what the hell lol. It was disgusting both of us being level 1 under turret with cannon wave slowly shoving in.

I am sure it will be fine if I try. But I was just shocked at my health being gone.

maybe youre just bad if youre losing to bots

MysterQ1 votes

Not necessary to insult.

As I said, I do not try vs bots. I was simply noting that current bots do much more damage than previous patch bots. If you aren't poking them (at least 2/2 games tonight) they are going to poke you out until you stabilize.

Khristophoros1 votes

You can't main something as a silver 5 player. Your winrate on your "main" is 42%. You are objectively not an authority on how good or bad Support Orianna is.

Like, how is it that now, after you've put in 53 games and won only 42% of them in season 7, Now that runes reforged has dropped, only now, Orianna support is no longer good? If we look at your results, support Orianna was never good in the first place.

Metal Janna1 votes

{quoted} You can't main something as a silver 5 player. Your winrate on your "main" is 42%. You are objectively not an authority on how good or bad Support Orianna is.

Where are you getting your statistics, OP.GG? OP.GG is basing it's 42% win rate calculation off 12 games, and doesn't discriminate based on role played. That's statistical malpractice.

{quoted} If we look at your results, support Orianna was never good in the first place.

Here's a sample of all my games played as Orianna between 10/3/2017 and 10/8/2017 https://ibb.co/cAOuHb https://ibb.co/n4kkOG Excluding the 5 games where I played mid and the 2 remakes, that's 27 wins, 18 losses for a win rate of 60%.

But please, tell me more about how you think a silver V player achieving a 60% win rate on a champion means that champion sucks in that role.

What's more, you've derailed the thread into subjects (my skill with Orianna and her fit for the role of support) unrelated to the original subject (the value of harassing power for supports in the current meta). If you don't have anything to contribute to the actual subject of the discussion, then kindly don't post.

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