A thought about Assassins: What are their niches?

TehNACHO··2 votes·592 views

Anyone ever notice how some Assassins don't have strong and defined niches?

I'll be talking about the following champions Akali Ekko Evelynn Fizz Katarina Kayn Khazix Leblanc Rengar Shaco Talon Zed

There are more you might want to argue should be included as Assassins like Ahri, Master Yi, or Twitch, and honestly, I'd invite you to do a similar niche analysis on them if you'd like. I just want to try to explain one big difference between

These guys Akali Leblanc Rengar Zed And most everyone else on the list.

Let me show you a few examples of what I'm trying to say. If I show you a picture of Katarina, for many of you the first thing that comes to mind is an AOE storm of daggers and blinking around. No other Assassin has the massive AOE potential that Katarina has. If I show you a picture of Talon or Evelynn, you may immediately think about some of the ridiculous flanking maneuvers that their kit enables them to do. But what if I showed you a picture of Akali? Some of you may immediately think of her Spell-Vamp, resulting in that stat-checky nature many people attribute to her gameplay. LeBlanc? Her clones perhaps, but I'd argue that Shaco shares the same niche and does it better in terms of deception and trickery around clones. Rengar is just odd to me, in how his kit functions as a really all or nothing Diver more than the in and out style of Assassins. And then there's Zed, the literal posterboy for Riot's design ideals for Assassins. Except Zed is so fundamental to Assassin ideals that he doesn't really do anything. In and out diving around and misdirection is standard for Assassins, so while his shadows are certainly cool and unique thematically, they're really standard for an Assassin. And his Death Mark is cool but it's the same as the rest of his issues, REALLY good at saying "I'm an Assassin", nothing to say about unique elements of Zed's gameplay.

Ekko is ridiculously Utility and Skirmisher based. Hell, many people thought and think of him as the "Utility" Assassin Evelynn's permastealth makes her flanking potential ridiculous Fizz's Ultimate is a huge Initiating/Teamfight/Pick/Zone Control tool that no other Assassins have anything to compare with, and his troll pole while polarizing is a unique gameplay and strategic element all by itself Katarina is a gigantic AOE storm of raw damage Kayn has the option to act more like a Drain Tank and flex incredibly well strategically Khazix's gameplay revolves around isolation and picking the right tools for the game Shaco rocks the deception and misdirection game and throwing a game into chaos Talon No other Assassin matches Talon in roaming and flanking options

All of these Assassins have great defining niches that don't bind them to how good they statcheck any single opponent like Akali or Rengar, nor drop them as really generic or representing a niche really sub par like Zed or LeBlanc.

What do you think about these Assassin's niches? Is there a particular niche you think they already have but they can do better? Or is there an unexplored gameplay element that can fit with Assassins that you think one of the four could fulfill?

Personally, I would love to see an Assassin that really capitalizes on hunting down targets in the jungle/unwarded areas, something with extended tracking capabilities like Rek'Sai. This could be a niche Rengar could fulfill, really playing on a hunter fantasy by giving him tools explicitly designed to track down a target in unwarded areas of the map and catch them out isolated. Similar to but not the same as Kha'Zix. Fits in their lore relationship as well I'd think.

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Śhunpo2 votes

Ok, so:

Khazix Revolves around Duskblade and honestly he doesn't care whether you're isolated or not post Duskblade.

Katarina is supposed to be an AOE "assassin", however she's moreso an AP caster/skirmisher if anything.

Zed is Zed. Do I need to say anymore? He's good.

Talon is supposed to be really strong with roaming, however his laning is sub-par which means a lot of the time he cannot abuse his roam potential properly.

Shaco Wait, this is a champion? I thought they deleted him when he got nerfed into the ground....But no, he's an item reliant melee ADC.

Rengar is not really an assassin atm. However when old Q is brought back he should go back to doing what he did best, catching out straglers.

Fizz is a menace to mages. Honestly that's his niche, he dumpsters mages and ADCs.

Ekko is hardly an assassin. However he does have quite a lot of burst. He fits the "safe" assassin role and is quite team based.

Evelynn is good. Flanker I guess?

Leblanc MOBILE DISRUPTOR! This champion is awful right now, thank god she's getting another rework.

Akali should be an AP assassin who snowballs insanely well with quite the unforgiving kit. However she currently fits into top lane as an AP bruiser.

TehNACHO1 votes

In order:

Less of a champion design thing here and more of an item/balance issue Okay No, exactly. He's Zed, an Assassin. And nothing else. He's really generic in that way. Fair enough Shaco's doing pretty well Agreed Sure. Agreed Yep What does mobile disruptor mean? But yeah she needs that rework Yeah that's what happens when she awards her damage with bulkiness

Śhunpo1 votes

Oh, mobile disruptor was just the label that Riot gave her when /r/LeblancMains asked about what role she fulfilled.

I think most of the assassin's issues can be fixed with a complete item rebalance tbh. Although in Rengo and LB's case they need a slight bit more work than just indirect changes.

Like....none of the assassins are bad (outside of Rengo and LB), but they're not that great either since they only come into meta when runes/item are extremely imbalanced.

scribbles7821 votes

Well I can name a few.

Akali is meant to jump on people from a mile away and one shot them.

Diana is meant to do that^ PLUS have a knock up and shield for self-peel.

Leblanc is similar to Shaco in her deceptory ways.

Zed just wants to confuse the living fuck out of you.

TehNACHO1 votes

"____ is meant to jump on people from a mile away and one shot them."

Fill in the blank kids! Who does this describe?

What I wanted to express in this post is that this makes Akali, and to a lesser extent, Diana, sound more like a generic diver than a generic Assassin.

LeBlanc and Zed aren't even that deceptive imo. If that really is their niche, there's sooooooo much more you can do with it.

Idk if you know the old lore or Black Market Brawlers, but the theory that J4=LeBlanc could be a really cool mechanic for LeBlanc. If instead of LeBlanc's quite frankly underwhelming clone mechanic, what if whenever she breaks vision of the enemy team, she takes on the appearance of a random player from either team until she is hit or enters combat?

scribbles7821 votes

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"____ is meant to jump on people from a mile away and one shot them."

Fill in the blank kids! Who does this describe?

What I wanted to express in this post is that this makes Akali, and to a lesser extent, Diana, sound more like a generic diver than a generic Assassin.

LeBlanc and Zed aren't even that deceptive imo. If that really is their niche, there's sooooooo much more you can do with it.

Idk if you know the old lore or Black Market Brawlers, but the theory that J4=LeBlanc could be a really cool mechanic for LeBlanc. If instead of LeBlanc's quite frankly underwhelming clone mechanic, what if whenever she breaks vision of the enemy team, she takes on the appearance of a random player from either team until she is hit or enters combat?

That LeBlanc ability was tested for a bit for her rework, but it was cancelled because it was really buggy, and broken overall. Also, I view Zed and deceptive because he can have 3 shadows really far away from each other and he can TP to one of them in an instant, and a lot of the time he's just really hard to keep track of.

TehNACHO1 votes

Wait, three?

Akali is SO HOT1 votes

Akali is sorta like the AP version of Master Yi. Most of her damage is single target and come late game she is susceptible to CC, but if the Akali player makes good use of her shroud and mobility (just like Yi), then she can pop off and melt everyone on your team with her resets. No other Assassin really does it like she does. You could argue that Katarina can do this, but her damage is all AoE and her method of Assassination is different from Akali's.

TehNACHO1 votes

Funny you mention Yi. I've stated before I felt like Akali (and Ekko) may be balanced better treated like Skirmishers than Assassins. Seeing you compare her to Yi affirms this to me now.

Akali is SO HOT1 votes

Because her damage still comes in windows of big burst I would consider her to be an Assassin with skirmisher traits. I think when they eventually give her a VGU they should keep in mind that she is an Assassin at heart when making changes, but it isn't a bad thing that she has skirmisher qualities to her kit. I believe they said her VGU would be similar to Fiora's so I would assume that she's going to end up being an Assassin/Skirmisher like she is now. Idk

Hügö1 votes

Rengar was once a hunter, but with his new ult he tells you when he comes for you.

Doozku1 votes

Rengar is supposed to be the tracking assassin with how his ultimate gives vision so he can hunt down enemies though that was toned down super hard with his rework. I still think that he's the best champion in the game at killing of seperated isolated targets, even more so than k6 because he can see them near globally and there's no counterplay to his ult if you are not near teammates which is why the counterplay to Rengar should be with teamplay and not "outplaying" him.

ThunderSkelett1 votes

Eve is also a crazy tank buster when the tanks only have 1 mr item.

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