Ok, I am certain for sure that league's "Assassins" have unhealthy kits.

Crimson Zeppelin··3 votes·988 views

This is a long post.

I used to be a assassin main, but I quitted around the adc/sup meta when playing them was obsolete. But aside from the meta, I just simply began to hate playing them since their kits are composites of "How to make your enemies sitting ducks" rather than "strategically ambushing". It is a faceroll. Thus I currently only play Evelynn since she fullfills what a REAL assassin is in my own eyes - which is to lurk near a unsuspected enemy by foot, and while when you are attacking you are in your most exposed state. It is a trade-off that you can minimize your risks, but when you trade you are paying a risk.

I know that assassin's need hypermobility for their kits, but "waiting for a enemy to come close" is now not a thing anymore because of this. Punishing the ASSASSINS positioning when they are exposed (Thus deeming them a BAD assassin) simply doesn't exist. Another thing I dislike about the current assassin tools is that they have in some form, a way to COMPLETELY render them untargetable when they engage. Thus counterstriking them is IMPOSSIBLE. This compounds the former about exposing a assassin is pointless.

Assassins don't outplay. They faceroll the whole GAME that doesn't have the system to punish them.

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Toppien3 votes

and yet riot is happy about the changes and the new meta, living in their happy little world of balanced and perfect development

Poske1 votes

WAIT WAIT WAIT?

YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT HOW UNHEALTHY ASSASSINS ARE YET YOU PLAY EVELYNN

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**EVELYNN IS CURENTLY THE MOST UNHEALTHY ASSASSINEVELYNN IS CURENTLY THE MOST UNHEALTHY ASSASSIN EVELYNN IS CURENTLY THE MOST UNHEALTHY ASSASSIN EVELYNN IS CURENTLY THE MOST UNHEALTHY ASSASSINEVELYNN IS CURENTLY THE MOST UNHEALTHY ASSASSINEVELYNN IS CURENTLY THE MOST UNHEALTHY ASSASSIN EVELYNN IS CURENTLY THE MOST UNHEALTHY ASSASSINEVELYNN IS CURENTLY THE MOST UNHEALTHY ASSASSINEVELYNN IS CURENTLY THE MOST UNHEALTHY ASSASSINEVELYNN IS CURENTLY THE MOST UNHEALTHY ASSASSIN **

Getting inevitebly CC-ed because everything she does procs it then dying while you are fking charmed is 10/10 gameplay. Oh she also free AOE nuke escapes

Lets not to mention that she has permastealth so she can find many picks

Crimson Zeppelin2 votes

{quoted}

WAIT WAIT WAIT?

YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT HOW UNHEALTHY ASSASSINS ARE YET YOU PLAY EVELYNN

AHFJKSDHFAJKSDFHASKLČGASHLKASHLĆEČFHLČĆFSAHDFFSAJKEGHZFIOLČASEUFOASEČLF THE AMMOUNT OF BRAINCELLS I LOST

**EVELYNN IS CURENTLY THE MOST UNHEALTHY ASSASSINEVELYNN IS CURENTLY THE MOST UNHEALTHY ASSASSIN EVELYNN IS CURENTLY THE MOST UNHEALTHY ASSASSIN EVELYNN IS CURENTLY THE MOST UNHEALTHY ASSASSINEVELYNN IS CURENTLY THE MOST UNHEALTHY ASSASSINEVELYNN IS CURENTLY THE MOST UNHEALTHY ASSASSIN EVELYNN IS CURENTLY THE MOST UNHEALTHY ASSASSINEVELYNN IS CURENTLY THE MOST UNHEALTHY ASSASSINEVELYNN IS CURENTLY THE MOST UNHEALTHY ASSASSINEVELYNN IS CURENTLY THE MOST UNHEALTHY ASSASSIN **

Getting inevitebly CC-ed because everything she does procs it then dying while you are fking charmed is 10/10 gameplay. Oh she also free AOE nuke escapes

Lets not to mention that she has permastealth so she can find many picks

The most unhealthy assassin in the current game is Talon alone. You are diamond. You can spare a few braincells.

She needs to get up close by foot. You will be warned that she will approach. She is easily spotted pre-6. If her cover is blown she needs to sacrifice a 2 min ult.

Assassins are supposed to make picks. But are NOT supposed to FORCE picks by hypermobility and untargetable stealth skills. That is what I'm saying here.

Poske1 votes

Talon is dull, badly designed also badly reworked (he should have been AoE assassin like he was at release not autopilot zed with less force potentional) He is quite powerful atm

Evelynn however had 4 fking reworks since I started playing this game in season1 (Or perhaps 3, depends how you count massive changes) 4 FKING REWORKS

Evelynn is extremly unhealthy, toxicly designed.

**Do you know why evelynn had her first rework? **Because SHE HAD STUN OUT OF STEALTH IF SHE HIT YOU IN A BACK, so Riot wouldnt allow her to do more then 5 damage due to how toxic it was even when barely strong. She was kept at 40% winrate in season1-2 for a long time

Current evelynn Has longer CC duration and a stronger type of CC. CHARM > STUN. She still has stealth esque ability and the fact that she can proc her lenghty charm from range compensates the fact that she isnt stealthed if you are not excatly near. Not to mention that her damage is by around 50% higher

This is further made worse because she has free untargeteability escape ability which makes her that much more toxic and impossible to duel

Look if running away from evelynn / or fighting the evelynn if she misses her skillshot was a viable tactic I wouldnt complain but both is extremly complicated because you see for some reason she can still proc her godamn charm after she misses her quite wide skillshot not to mention that running away from typicaly mobi/protobelt evelynn isnt the easiest thing

The only time you are safe against post 6 eve is if you are 500 range away from your tower (which is what evelynn mere existance forces every laner in high elo to do) and even thats debatable since she is fantastic diver

And her Pre 6 ganks ARE NOWHERE NEAR BAD, Nowhere near

Oh but the delay!!! THE DELAY poske the delay. The only time that delay hinders evelynn is when low elos accidently strike before its ready.

Cant wait for her 5th rework which is bound to happen, trust me.

Talon cant find anywhere near as many picks in high elo as evelynn can. The only thing which can compare to how often she finds picks is permastealth Recent R Evolve Kha zix and skilled Reworked le blanc (But then again one in 129381391 le blancs was skilled )

And even if those champions could do that.. They still dont have hard CC and most importantly both have had their pick potentionals nerfed.

I guess Zoe can compare but atleast she requires skill. Granted she is bound to get nerfed to

Crimson Zeppelin1 votes

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Talon is dull and badly designed also badly reworked (he should have been AoE assassin like he was at release not autopilot zed with less force potentional) He is quite powerful atm

Evelynn however had 4 fking reworks since I played (Or perhaps 3, depends how you count massive changes) 4 FKING REWORKS

Evelynn is extremly unhealthy toxicly designed.

**Do you know why evelynn had her first rework? **Because SHE HAD STUN OUT OF STEALTH IF SHE HIT YOU IN A BACK, so Riot wouldnt allow her to do more then 5 damage due to how toxic it was even when barely strong. She was kept at 40% winrate in season1-2 for a long time

Current evelynn Has longer CC duration and a stronger type of CC. CHARM > STUN. She still has stealth esque ability and the fact that she can proc her lenghty charm from range compensates the fact that she isnt stealthed if you are not excatly near. Not to mention that her damage is by around 50% higher

This is further made worse because she has free untargeteability escape ability which makes her that much more toxic and impossible to duel

Look if Going away from evelynn / or fighting evelynn if she misses her skillshot were viable tactics I wouldnt complain but both is extremly complicated because you see for some reason she can still proc her godamn charm after she misses her quite wide skillshot not to mention that running away from typicaly mobi/protobelt evelynn isnt the easiest thing

The only time you are safe against post 6 eve is if you are 500 range away from your tower (which is what evelynn mere existance forces every laner in high elo to do) and even thats debatable since she is fantastic diver

And her Pre 6 ganks ARE NOWHERE NEAR BAD, Nowhere near

Oh but the delay!!! THE DELAY poske the delay. The only time that delay hinders evelynn is when low elos accidently strike before its ready.

Cant wait for her 5th rework which is bound to happen trust me.

Talon cant find anywhere near as many picks in high elo as evelynn can. The only thing which can compare to how often she finds picks is permastealth Recent R Evolve Kha zix and skilled Reworked le blanc (But then again one in 129381391 le blancs was skilled )

And even if those champions could do that.. They still dont have hard CC and most importantly both have their pick potentionals massively nerfed

I guess Zoe can compare but atleast she requires skill. Granted she is bound to get nerfed to

Dude, I cannot literally read this. It is outdated information of at least 2 months, and the grammar is simply horrible. I'm Asian, so this is a legit accomplishment. I cannot read even the most simplest of sentences you write because of how broken the text is.

Mobi boots, protobelt Evelynn is now considered a inferior build compared to rabadon rush/sorc which grants her healing to 75% max hp. Building even a single hp item compromises this powerful passive. Also, it is common knowledge Evelynn can't duel, and is not meant to. Are you saying she has spectacular dueing in a meta where xin/taliah/wukong/kindred are prime? Think again about that.

Poske1 votes

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Dude, I cannot literally read this. It is outdated information of at least 2 months, and the grammar is simply horrible.

I literaly cannot read this* .. speaking of grammar or understanding the word literaly for that matter. Outdated? evelynn got compensated with the whole scuttle fiesta changes and plz do point out where my grammar is wrong.

I'm Asian, so this is a legit accomplishment. I cannot read even the most simplest of sentences you write because of how broken the text is.

an accomplishment* the most simplest of sentences? my eyes are bleeding...

Mobi boots, protobelt Evelynn is now considered a inferior build compared to rabadon rush/sorc which grants her healing to 75% max hp. Building even a single hp item compromises this powerful passive. Also, it is common knowledge Evelynn can't duel, and is not meant to. Are you saying she has spectacular dueing in a meta where xin/taliah/wukong/kindred are prime? Think again about that.

Mobi boots on eve is common. Rabadon rush is garbage reggardless of the champion you are

Well sure if she gets smited with challenging smite she cant duel xin and few other autopilot bruisers. Her dueling in midgame is extraordinary and she doesnt have to duel anyone if she doesnt want to.

ModEvangele1 votes

{quoted}

WAIT WAIT WAIT?

YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT HOW UNHEALTHY ASSASSINS ARE YET YOU PLAY EVELYNN

AHFJKSDHFAJKSDFHASKLČGASHLKASHLĆEČFHLČĆFSAHDFFSAJKEGHZFIOLČASEUFOASEČLF THE AMMOUNT OF BRAINCELLS I LOST

**EVELYNN IS CURENTLY THE MOST UNHEALTHY ASSASSINEVELYNN IS CURENTLY THE MOST UNHEALTHY ASSASSIN EVELYNN IS CURENTLY THE MOST UNHEALTHY ASSASSIN EVELYNN IS CURENTLY THE MOST UNHEALTHY ASSASSINEVELYNN IS CURENTLY THE MOST UNHEALTHY ASSASSINEVELYNN IS CURENTLY THE MOST UNHEALTHY ASSASSIN EVELYNN IS CURENTLY THE MOST UNHEALTHY ASSASSINEVELYNN IS CURENTLY THE MOST UNHEALTHY ASSASSINEVELYNN IS CURENTLY THE MOST UNHEALTHY ASSASSINEVELYNN IS CURENTLY THE MOST UNHEALTHY ASSASSIN **

Getting inevitebly CC-ed because everything she does procs it then dying while you are fking charmed is 10/10 gameplay. Oh she also free AOE nuke escapes

Lets not to mention that she has permastealth so she can find many picks

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The most unhealthy assassin in the current game is Talon alone. You are diamond. You can spare a few braincells.

She needs to get up close by foot. You will be warned that she will approach. She is easily spotted pre-6. If her cover is blown she needs to sacrifice a 2 min ult.

Assassins are supposed to make picks. But are NOT supposed to FORCE picks by hypermobility and untargetable stealth skills. That is what I'm saying here.

Nami Hey guys,

Just giving you a fair warning in this thread to keep things civil. While we understand having a heated disagreement, mentioning others cognitive abilities is not going to be allowed at any point in time. I am not removing currently bc I believe you are having a real discussion, but please keep it respectful. Also please no spamming.

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