Can a riot balance member get on and tell me with a straight face..

xelaker·Mar 12, 2017·54 votes·2,821 views

why on earth graves gets to be god tier jung for the better part of a year? just buy tabis and the only thing that can kill you is a super fed burst mage.

ok i may use hyperbole, but holy cow is graves strong at all points in the game with little to compensate. lee gets a lot of flak but at least he falls off in usefulness late game and has to be decent to pull of maximum tilt, hell a good lee is a thing to behold. graves just rolls in and Q auto auto and I'm looking death in the face. god forbid he hit a wall with Q or has his ult up. and with all the shred and lethality in the game armor aint all that helpful

but im silver 3 so git gud right?

37 Comments

HethaleanMar 12, 201712 votes

If you buy ninja tabis against graves, it is EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE AGAINST GRAVES.

xelakerMar 12, 20171 votes

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If you buy ninja tabis against graves, it is EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE AGAINST GRAVES.

that isnt always an option...

HethaleanMar 12, 20173 votes

Then it is always an option to get rolfstomped by Graves I guess.

nice tableMar 12, 20172 votes

when is getting tabis not a option?

5000000000000000Mar 12, 20171 votes

In a Merc Treads games, I'd guess

nice tableMar 12, 20171 votes

what game is a merc treads game with graves jungle tho.

Brain Errör 404Mar 12, 20173 votes

Ryze Shen Varus Nami

I mean... I guess jglers are the only ones with cc though. xd

nice tableMar 12, 20171 votes

id probably still go tabis over mercs here with pretty much every champion.

MelledoneusMar 12, 20171 votes

Has Ninja tabis ever even been disabled?

SkorchMar 12, 20174 votes

I used to never buy Tabis, for some reason i thought it reduced basic attack damage by 12 not 12%. I only fixed this mistake a few months ago... I have been playing for 3 years.

MonkeyMadnessMar 12, 20171 votes

And why not?

JefftiffyMar 12, 20171 votes

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that isnt always an option...

He really isn't wrong. Building Ninja tabi's as a mage is often bad unless they are 100% AD. And if you fight someone like Veigar you almost need item 3111 . Ninja tabi isn't always an option when you have to factor in 2 heavy damage dealers of opposing stats. Especially when right now the 2 top tier classes are CC bot's like Nautilus and full lethality casters like Varus Zed Rengar .

SanKakUMar 12, 20171 votes

Just buy Ninja Tabi on everyone, geez...it's 2017 people.

Asayake 5150glowMar 12, 20171 votes

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If you buy ninja tabis against graves, it is EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE AGAINST GRAVES.

It's really not that effective... his Zerkers mean he still does more damage, because for some reason he gets free extra damage in melee range. That wouldn't be problem because of his reload, except it's a pretty damn short reload time and I'd probably die before the reload happens more than once, so it doesn't do as much.

Turtling is even harder because his Q will auto hit you if you're under tower and don't have a directional dash to get out of it.

MelledoneusMar 12, 20173 votes

Sweet, I blocked 300 damage. Now, I get blown up less hard.

LankPantsMar 12, 201710 votes

Yay, he overkilled me for 300 rather than 1k. Feels so much better that way.

Yaśuo MainMar 12, 20174 votes

Dude. I survived 1.3 seconds longer when next to a wall. OP bro.

12% reduced damage from auto attacks is not only JUST auto attacks, but when put in a situation like

500 damage an auto

60 damage reduced due to Tabi.

440 damage.

Amazing, man. Ninja Tabi makes it so armor is never required to build against graves.

And if you have 100 armor at the time, it should be 220 damage. Just assuming graves does not have...

Any Lethality

Armor Penetration of any sort

macromiteMar 12, 20172 votes

single armor plus hp should do yah, and if it aint enough think about ga.

BluePolarizerMar 12, 201710 votes

Only thing that blows him up is a fed burst mage?

You mean, nothing blows him up because lul item 3156 item 3814

deathgod5Mar 12, 20174 votes

http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/graves

http://lol.gamepedia.com/Graves_-_The_Outlaw#6.24

Just check his winrate history(top link) and how much he get's patched(bot one). He actually had a lot of good and bad times.

BlakiepugMar 12, 20174 votes

Graves has fluctuated a lot this last year. Sure he's good right now, but he hasn't been top tier for a full year. You want someone whose been top tier for a full year, look at Jhin Ahri Ryze Orianna .

CurlyCrusaderMar 12, 20171 votes

The last 3 have been top tier for far longer than a year.

deathgod5Mar 12, 20173 votes

http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/graves

he get's patched quite often and his win rate fluctuates a lot(I included a page that has the winrate history of graves).

CurlyCrusaderMar 12, 20173 votes

Ahri has been a top-tier midlaner for forever but nobody complains about her. At least with Graves I only have to predict one dash.

Jeanne fan clubMar 12, 20172 votes

ah, but buy maw and tabis and the only thing that can kill you is a hydrogen bomb, but knowing graves and the cockroach he is, he might even survive that.

Troll for TrumpMar 12, 20171 votes

I know ADCs are supposed to kill tanks with DPS, but Graves vs tanks is just pathetic.

MonkeyMadnessMar 12, 20171 votes

Graves does actually suffer VERY hard late game (at least as hard as lee). His damage is not nearly as reliable as a standard marksman, and his survivability diminishes as other real tanks scale up. The problem is that, like lee sin, it is very easy for him to snowball the game out of control to the point where such a late game isn't really possible for the enemy team. And the reason that you see graves as more powerful than lee is likely because graves is simply easier to play.

Not saying I don't agree with your general message he really shouldn't be allowed to jungle so easily. Just providing some context.

A Basic IslandMar 12, 20171 votes

lol'd

MonkeyMadnessMar 12, 20172 votes

LOL, and you guys claim this isn't a circlejerk. I comment based on my PLATINUM LEVEL experience with a champion that I have played with and against for some time, and instead of having a thoughtful discussion, you guys downvote and leave. Classic circlejerk right here.

A Basic IslandMar 12, 20171 votes

Lold

GULAG 4 UMar 13, 20172 votes

Plat senpai pls don't expect logic from my fellow silver shitlords

macromiteMar 12, 20171 votes

graves is bad right now, but the circlejeerk needs to stop. there isnt anything valid here.

GULAG 4 UMar 12, 20171 votes

50.75% winrate

Meanwhile there are multiple 54+ winrate junglers

How the fuck is graves god tier

MonkeyMadnessMar 13, 20173 votes

Circlejerk is circlejerking. I tried to have an intelligent conversation with these savages and just got downvoted for it with literally no counterargument given. Do yourself a favor and leave before they get you too...

GULAG 4 UMar 13, 20172 votes

Forgot this was memes and gameplay. Thanks for the heads up.