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Seriously, why is Elise allowed to be...

DJ Hatsune Miku··10 votes·1,389 views

So horrible. Like I'll admit I'm not the best Elise in the world, but I'm a decent jungler. It's my main role, the reason I'm gold... With her new skin and just generally enjoying characters with arachnid qualities I've contemplated trying to pick her up as people tend to regard her highly. I just cannot, for the life of me, feel like anything is in my hands when I play her.

If I start out damagey she's super squish and I feel like I can never gank without being at serious risk of being turned on and murdered. If I go tanky she has like zero damage until the mid game where her % health actually seems to do anything. I seriously feel I do more damage early game as Nautilus and Maokai than I do as Elise, someone who supposedly has an amazing early game. This is also excluding how weak her CC is in a gank. 1 second stun, A+

Like I'd say I need some advice, some tips, but really... I just feel like I need some Jesus after playing her. Anyone who can help me out with the spider queen would be more than welcomed. I've been experimenting 21-9 and 9-21 as well as taking hybrid pen reds/armor yellow/mr blues/MS quints but also took a generic AP page a few times with not much difference. I also go tanky so like.. Juggernaught into something like rylai/lyandries or just juggernaught/randuins.

Thanks for reading. Any general Elise love is welcomed.

10 Comments

BastionKross7 votes

Her kit is loaded to the brim, and when her numbers were higher she was running all over the jungle. She even went toe to toe with LeeSin (And that's when you know a champion is too strong). Riot nerfed her numbers so hard she hasn't been able to come back since. I think they just followed protocol and dumpstered her while they come up with a rework like Evelynn Yorick Urgot Warwick Poppy Taric etc.

And that's understandable. When you have as great of a kit as Elise, it's difficult to have good numbers on it and not have them be overly dominant.

BakugoBestBoy1 votes

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Her kit is loaded to the brim, and when her numbers were higher she was running all over the jungle. She even went toe to toe with LeeSin (And that's when you know a champion is too strong). Riot nerfed her numbers so hard she hasn't been able to come back since. I think they just followed protocol and dumpstered her while they come up with a rework like Evelynn Yorick Urgot Warwick Poppy Taric etc.

And that's understandable. When you have as great of a kit as Elise, it's difficult to have good numbers on it and not have them be overly dominant.

  1. Kha'Zix should be in your list. His kit is stupid overloaded but then they nerfed him repeatedly until he's unplayable.
  2. Elise's kit is "great" great at ganking. That's it. Elise's teamfight potential and lategame is and always has been at a nil. If you don't win during laning phase your only option is to go for picks and pray. So unless she's entirely reworked into a different champion she will always be this way.
not a starburst1 votes
  1. Kha'Zix should be in your list. His kit is stupid overloaded but then they nerfed him repeatedly until he's unplayable. His kit wasn't overloaded, he just had ridiculous damage as a bruiser.
Saianna2 votes

On paper she's extremly strong champion with just massive combo. Human from E->Q->W ->spider -> Q->W (spider rapel if enemy tries to escape). That should chew at least half hp of a briser.

That's on paper. In reality sligh amount of magic resist puts whole combo damage to trash bin. And whole combo that uses ~6 parts is very hard to pull. As a jungler she has very hard time. Little spiders keep on getting destroyed no matter how i position myself. Heavy mana problems (so i can't create new spiderlings all the time) Her stun not only is a skillshot, but deals no damage and consumes mana. A'la Veigars but 1/10 as usefull

I've bought Elise in hopes Riot will buff her eventually.

So, La Belle Monstre.. i know how you feel mate :)

Lord Ðaríus2 votes

elise is far from being horrible, the problem is most likely you and only you.

Gorzke1 votes

She is Strong at the moment. Although her ganks are bad (They are nothing close to what they used to be) , her clearing speed and safeness exists. At this new jungle early runes are really important, and junglers are out or in according to it. I have yet to test some runepages, but the one I have been using for now is really helpful.

Profirix1 votes

Can you share it?

Gorzke1 votes

Attack Speed / Armor / Ap / Ap. All Flat. You have to start smiting Krugs and W. I can Krugs > Red > Blue > Crabby > Gromp and end with %60 of life.

Zirzon1 votes

Riot is just scared of spiders.

I feel like the way Riot feels about Elise is how part of the community feels about Lee Sin currently, that she can do too much and was pushing out other picks from the jungle. At one point she WAS one of the main picks in pro play. Then they gutted her... Elise used to be one of my favorite champs to play, but I liked building her mostly damage. Sadly, they nerfed her to a point where she doesn't scale well with items at all, leaving be unable to kill anyone alone late game, and as a single target champion you want to be able to do that. Whenever I play her now, I'm always disappointed that no matter how well I may do, or how fed I get, I still cannot deal close to the damage of any other champion who is equally fed.

Rito, please bring back my favorite bug. Elise

SionideCN1 votes

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Riot is just scared of spiders.

I feel like the way Riot feels about Elise is how part of the community feels about Lee Sin currently, that she can do too much and was pushing out other picks from the jungle. At one point she WAS one of the main picks in pro play. Then they gutted her... Elise used to be one of my favorite champs to play, but I liked building her mostly damage. Sadly, they nerfed her to a point where she doesn't scale well with items at all, leaving be unable to kill anyone alone late game, and as a single target champion you want to be able to do that. Whenever I play her now, I'm always disappointed that no matter how well I may do, or how fed I get, I still cannot deal close to the damage of any other champion who is equally fed.

Rito, please bring back my favorite bug. Elise

Riot is scared of Elise like we are scared of lee sin because before the nerfs to her abilities she WAS lee sin, but she scaled into late game and dealt more damage.

She had a better rappel, a better early game stun which made a gank where she landed stun a near guaranteed kill; they lowered elise's damage at pretty much every point past level 4/5 and made her useless late game.

She was good before her changes because she had medium high base damage, could go a low-ap penetration/tank build and still deal significant damage, now she doesn't have the kit to tank, or the ability to do damage without being blown up. But god-forbid Elise ever be in a good spot, it'd be worse than lee sin.

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