Okay let's ignore that Nid jungle is a little gimmicky. She's a mobile, high damage, kinda squishy AP assassin with built in combos. Why is Elise not this but like.. Maybe less damage to make up for her CC and a little more naturally tanky to make up for the fact that she still has more sustain damage qualities as opposed to Nid's poke and destroy gameplay.
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Zone of Endless12 votesThey talk about fixing tanks in the jungle
then they came up with this crap
I just don't understand riot balancing team anymore
Erockandroll2 votesThey talk about fixing tanks in the jungle
then they came up with this crap
I just don't understand riot balancing team anymore
In all honesty, I remember the idea of her on the hunt passive working on large monsters. being toyed with while she was undergoing her rework.
So I am not surprised that they would come back to this.
Caezium3 votesNidalee takes more skill than tanks! Decision making! Mechanics! Excitement! etc.
But more seriously... I would rather have tanks than Nidalee in the jungle. Nidalee isn't fun when she works.
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Jungle diversity! New jungler in town and everyone don't like her. They didn't like ranged champions in general in the Jungle. I know they nerf weak junglers constantly but we get to see some new guys pop up now. We wanted jungle diversity? We got a bit, but we didn't get what we wanted. Sad right?
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WE WANT OUR OLD JUNGLERS BACK TOO! Give some more buffs like the ones you gave Nidalee. You changed a gameplay mechanic. Why can't you do the same to our old tanks that we used to have, like Sej, Rammus, and Amumu?
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No, we don't. We don't want our old junglers back. Incoming Volibear/Nautilus/Mundo/Shyvana CC train (Mundo?)! They deal damage OR they're unkillable. Either way, we return to the older seasons complaining about tanks who come up to lanes and knock champs out of tower range and can't return unless they catch more CC (Alistar! Remember the golden days!).
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It's better than the Crown Four we got now (J4/Vi/Lee/Rek).
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Nope. When a champion sees LCS they either get nerfed to oblivion because the community is bipolar and would rather NOT see the rise of junglers. Can we get 'balance?' The way they keep releasing champions, nerfs, and items might be refreshing, but it keeps the whole shazam up in the air. The roster is HUGE, and we are bound to see champs sink and rise. If Riot were perfect and unbiased and there were no professional sight, there would be a dramatic and consistent shift every time we see change. And even that would be bad.
The game will be full of changes. I want to see them give massive buffs to certain tanks and give some to mana mages. THEN let's see who is OP. I want to see them stop delivering changes, as dramatic as that might seem. What if we sent champions to new places? Nerfs enforce the meta. But I know for sure we will never be happy. ):
Buff Elise. I don't see why not. She deserves to be brought back up to date after those nerfs a while ago. A lot of champions do.
Visigoth7 votesor riot could just stop buffing nidalee. literally ANY other champion (except lee maybe) is op, they get nerfed EVENTUALLY. Not Nidalee though. She chunks with spears? Make her hit the spear then chunk with an execute, and also she is building almost full tank. Oh that's op? Let her do both minus the tank and a little less damage from spear. Oh she's starting to have less than 90% pick rate? Let's let her jungle and also root jungle creeps from some reason ("why not?" -Riot 2k15)
PrinceOfStorms4 votesor riot could just stop buffing nidalee. literally ANY other champion (except lee maybe) is op, they get nerfed EVENTUALLY. Not Nidalee though. She chunks with spears? Make her hit the spear then chunk with an execute, and also she is building almost full tank. Oh that's op? Let her do both minus the tank and a little less damage from spear. Oh she's starting to have less than 90% pick rate? Let's let her jungle and also root jungle creeps from some reason ("why not?" -Riot 2k15)
Her pick rate was nowhere near 90%, ever. Even now her pick rate is 17%, and her winrate is 50% on the dot.
SaltyKracka5 votesAnd in the meantime 
gets no buffs. Ever.
PrinceOfStorms3 votesAnd in the meantime
There's a reason for that though. Olaf is a spreadsheet champion that's boring in all aspects.
Either he has more stats than his opponent, at which point no one can even get near him, as his CC immunity, lifesteal, and slows will let him wreck entire teams, or Olaf won't have more stats, and be unable to do more than poke with his axes.
It's the same deal with Ryze, who is being reworked.
Auz the Ripper3 votesThat because olaf's rework addressed a Grand Total of drum roll 0 problems his old kit had
SaltyKracka1 votesThere's a reason for that though. Olaf is a spreadsheet champion that's boring in all aspects.
Either he has more stats than his opponent, at which point no one can even get near him, as his CC immunity, lifesteal, and slows will let him wreck entire teams, or Olaf won't have more stats, and be unable to do more than poke with his axes.
It's the same deal with Ryze, who is being reworked.
Funny thing, unless you'd been playing Olaf for a long time, you might not know that he's already been 'reworked'. By which I mean Gizmo took Olaf'd Olaf and went "Hm. How can we make his kit even more ultimately useless?" and then proceeded to give a melee character an incredibly reliance on attack speed. Not to mention his "Let's make Olaf build damage!" stupidity.
Of course, the real irony of this whole situation is that I'm talking about Olaf, a champ who was nerfed to shit then given a shit rework because Riot thinks he can't be allowed to be strong while we're talking about Nidalee. Now, in case you don't remember, old Nid was a champ who was more toxic than Olaf could ever be; all she was was her Q and her heal and the fact that nobody could catch her. So what'd they do? Made her a toxic combo champ who was such an incredible lane bully that they had to nerf her because when she's actually good she poisons the game. And then they gave buffs to her jungling that they haven't given to anybody else and whoops, now she's dominating the jungle! It's kind of hilarious that Riot won't allow Nidalee to die the way they have Olaf or, say, Urgot.
hgjkdlsaf jeldvb6 votesNo one should be what nidalee is, because nidalee is now, and has always been, cancer. Her current jungle strength is way too high, and I'm honestly surprised that Riot didn't revert that stupid buff they gave her.
youngjake935 votesHow is possibly the fastest early clear, possibly the best early level mobility, strong sustain, the only jungler to use zone control while counter jungling with her traps and possibly the highest early-mid game damage potential a gimmick? Literally the only things she doesn't have that a jungler would want are late-game teamfight control, takiness and CC. Oh and she uses mana.
DJ Hatsune Miku1 votesI said a little, as in she's not a '1 size fits all' champ like Lee or J4 or Vi since she really only has her one role. She's obviously good, and a friend of mine has shown me that it can be strong. I'm just saying she's not the best pick at every stage of champ select like other junglers can be and I don't really have a word for that.
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I'm just saying she's not the best pick at every stage of champ select like other junglers can be and I don't really have a word for that.
"Not Lee/J4/Vi"
meatjunjun1 votesThe way the casters in the LCS described Elise, they all seem to agree that she has a very fast early clear, but after that she falls off quickly. So her mid/late game sucks and she turns either into a tank that tickles her opponents or a champ who's only role is to land her cocoon on a squishy before dying.
Sinlaire1 votesyou should look at her AP scaling. only one skill reaches as high as 80% and the ENTIRETY of her remaining kit is 40% and less. one of them has a 3% ap ratio. 3 whole % people.
meatjunjun1 votesYou're telling me, she needs a buff. It sucks too cause I bought her right when they gutted her. I wanted to play her cause she looks so badass in her splash, sitting on her throne.
TwoD2 voteswhy not just take elise out of jungle and put her back on top where she belonged to in the first place.
junglerboy162 votesThey need to actually push her back towards being a mage assassin like they originally intended. Nerf her CC, nerf her durability, and then emphasize her single target pick potential with better damage and burst.
SaltyKracka1 votesIt's like you don't even remember post-rework unduelable splitpush Nid.
junglerboy162 votesI'm talking about Elise here, not Nidalee.
Ada Wong1 votesThere is and has never been no meta, Riot doesn't enforce a meta, no one says team has to have a jungle either.
I remember when it was 2 top, 1 mid, 2 bot.
Kingsgrave1 votesMost of Elise's problem is that she has an almost spammable ranged stun and can be somewhat problematic in lane during her Human form
Honestly if they got rid of that and placed a lot more emphasis on her spider form in general she would be a much healthier champion and a lot easier to balance
Feathermane3 votesWow, she has a thin skillshot 0 dmg stun that doesn't even go through minions. Is Morello ready with the bat? Maybe Taric becomes the next FoTM.
Kingsgrave2 votesWow, she has a thin skillshot 0 dmg stun that doesn't even go through minions. Is Morello ready with the bat? Maybe Taric becomes the next FoTM.
The fact that she has a stun in the first place takes up a large part of her power budget.
AbrahamBaconham1 votesIt makes sense for her thematically. Although I wouldn't be opposed to seeing it changed to something different, if only because I have such a hard time trying to land that stupid thing.
HeroSaitama1 votesNidalee can solo drag at level 3 with 2 red pots and both buffs.
Jasiwel1 votesNid jungle feels to me like Yasuo anything. It either works out well or your team gets smashed because Nidalee has no CC. I'd rather have Elise and Kha'Zam strong right now than Nidalee because at least then I won't be sweating over a coin-flip of a jungler.
Saianna1 votesWhat's Elise? New jungle mob?
Kai is cute1 voteslets have Nigel decide
chaetopterus1 votesYes and no to that. From my Point of view, since her update Nida has become a pretty good example for a transforming champ, since her hunting mechanism makes her forms work together really good. Elise needs this dynamic gameplay, but she shouldn't be like Nida. Playing Elise should make you feel really clever if you know what I mean, but currently she doesn't deliver any of that. I personally picked her up in search for the "black widow" she seemed to be and dropped her when I found out she only seems to work as a tanky tarantula. If they were to update Elise, they should reference Nidalee and learn out of her update, to update Elise to finally life up to her archetype.
Spacesuit Spiff1 votesI like the idea of jungle nid, but she seems like a bit much. They always seem to do terribly and then become enormous anyways, last time I saw one I managed to get our mid to kill her after a long series of 2v2 skirmishes and she was still a huge threat. That's not even getting into how the AP spears have somehow made it back into the game. I'd love to see her kicked out of the jungle (or at least turned into an AD jungle cat) and Elise given her spot.