Keegun,a famous panth one trick known for playing panth at a godlike level,posted a video spectating every single otp panth that are in top 10 on EACH server.Guess what,only 1 guy still plays the champ with under 50% wr.
As a katarina otp i always destroy panth when i vs him,it was not like that before,now champion is too weak and if they overbuff him then his E would be the most annoying spell in the game,causing even more of an outrage.
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Z3SIeeper4 votesThe reason he isn't played in high elo is because:
Old Pantheon had a high impact early game, whether top, mid or jungle. Not many could withstand the Q spam or go for trades with him (melees i mean).
Jungle Pantheon specifically had a scary early since at any point he could walk into lane with his really high base MS and click target stun you.
New Pantheon doesn't really seem to have a strong point. I'd say his level 1 is his strongest due to Mortal Will with his Q. After that his other spells just have way too long of cooldowns while not outputting burst appropriate for those long cooldowns or having the means to survive the wait.
Not only does he not have his crazy early anymore, but he also doesn't scale that well either. Don't get me wrong, he scales decently, but even compared to "early game lane bullies" such as Renekton or Rengar he just gets hard outscaled.
Q spam is considerably less efficient in the early game. This is better for game health imo, but for Pantheon's viability it's a killer since he didn't really get anything to replace that early power.
A i Bot 01 votesPanth is strong...People should take a closer look at their runes and starting items
Ralanr1 votesBasically they weakened his early (which was needed) but didn’t really help him scale better.
I like the rework but I’m seeing the same problems that lead me to stop playing him in season 5. Unless I’m stupid fed, I don’t have much impact in teamfights.
A i Bot 02 votesPantheon is a scaling champ now IMO. Maybe people haven't learned how to play him yet...I'm trying him top lane
Just a clone bru1 votes[{quoted}](name=A i Bot 0,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eJOEE3Tf,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-27T12:24:23.436+0000)
Pantheon is a scaling champ now IMO. Maybe people haven't learned how to play him yet...I'm trying him top lane
thats the problem,he is not a scaling champion,his early game is weak and his late game is also weak because he does not have that much damage,any toplaner you can think of performs better than him
A i Bot 01 votesI just feel like maybe people fight at weak points thinking they should try and match them. Panth is like old irelia
ΛrπζrιΠ2 votesSuccessful rework, make otp quit the game.
It seems the problem is for these challenger players, that pantheon, whatever the build, or runes, falls wayyyy too hard of a cliff past level 13 at their elo. Laning phase is ok. But after that; he is litterally useless even with a big leads on kills because he scales so poorly. They feel he has no lategame whatsoever. E is invincible but it does no damage. Any mobile champ, or semi decent team will just chest tank e, wait it out or outmanoeuver him. (Personnally, i like e not doing damage and being a real shield)
Q tap crit is a good change, there is no incentive to throw charged q with the increased cooldown. Now make R display for allies as well plz, like before, so panth can setup ganks in solo queue. Spam pinging on my way is a bit unclear at times.
The good thing is that adjusting him is more in the numbers, the kit itself is neat. He need a slightly better scaling, not to be overpowered. There is hope.
A i Bot 01 votesWhat Runes for top lane did you see as the best?
ΛrπζrιΠ1 votes[{quoted}](name=A i Bot 0,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eJOEE3Tf,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-08-27T13:11:46.177+0000)
What Runes for top lane did you see as the best?
PTA, conq, even HOB. Items bruiser, assassin, or hybrid. But none of these choices matter, as even with 13/0/8 kda lead and stomping their lanes, these challengers struggle to carry because pantheon doesnt scale enough at THEIR ELO, and from that point, they just pray to get carried. Seems panth suffers from identity crisis. Anything panth top does, any other top does it better. Support looks strong but for the wrong reasons. Riot said they wouldnt be "satisfied" if pantheon ended as support.
I don't care much personnally, i'm trash player, so it doesnt matter at my level, i'm enjoying panth. I can play pantheon any role and probably make it work, because my opponents are likely to do as much mistakes as me :D I was pointing out that panth seems to be very unsuccessful at higher elos.
A i Bot 01 votesgotcha. Makes sense
Z3SIeeper2 votesThere's really just no point in picking Pantheon when you can pick Renekton/Irelia/Camille/etc. and have both a better early game and a better late game.
Ragnaveil1 votesIdk, his E makes him way better than Irelia even if his damage falls off. Irelia just plain out sucks unless she goes mid, home to where every AP champ that counters her lives.
Sirsir1 votesTBF that's not really different from prework panth.
Just a clone bru1 votesThere's really just no point in picking Pantheon when you can pick Renekton/Irelia/Camille/etc. and have both a better early game and a better late game.
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Just a clone bru1 votes[{quoted}](name=Pete Ieffo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eJOEE3Tf,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-27T12:54:37.176+0000)
Successful rework, make otp quit the game.
It seems the problem is for these challenger players, that pantheon, whatever the build, or runes, falls wayyyy too hard of a cliff past level 13 at their elo. Laning phase is ok. But after that; he is litterally useless even with a big leads on kills because he scales so poorly. They feel he has no lategame whatsoever. E is invincible but it does no damage. Any mobile champ, or semi decent team will just chest tank e, wait it out or outmanoeuver him. (Personnally, i like e not doing damage and being a real shield)
Q tap crit is a good change, there is no incentive to throw charged q with the increased cooldown. Now make R display for allies as well plz, like before, so panth can setup ganks in solo queue. Spam pinging on my way is a bit unclear at times.
The good thing is that adjusting him is more in the numbers, the kit itself is neat. He need a slightly better scaling, not to be overpowered. There is hope.
even if you buff his numbers,in lane his only good damage dealing ability is his Q,it used to be q and e but now e is useless for damage,so what you are ending up with is a poor ad kite bruiser
U R Good At Game1 votesI just got my last 2 S's in a row playing panth last night and I got the first S like 2 days ago. I think he has a weak transition into the mid game but it's not horrible for anyone under diamond (the majority of players). He's getting buffed as well.
Hunkmenlordy1 votesThey put all their works on the his useless interactions, which made him a pre god who dishonors battles, sad.