Rengar's Update

Blue Collar Bear·Oct 19, 2016·3 votes·493 views

I've got like 300k mastery points on him, plus A LOT of games on him from before the system. I just wanted to say that I think the rework is nailing his thematic.

15 Comments

KyutoryusOct 20, 20161 votes

if you think that R is better than the old one of him getting a guaranteed crit or a little bit mroe increased movement speed over all the stuff he COULD do before than i worry for you. rest of the kit is fine. his R (Which should be something that boosts him) literally got nerfed to hell with that double down ! indicator and the fact you can only see and jump to 1 person.

Blue Collar BearOct 20, 20162 votes

You're worried about nerfs. I'm worried about the experience, the overall design of the thing. His THEMATIC is what will deliver. He's supposed to be hunting, and now it will feel like an actual hunt. You're also overlooking the fact that he gets 30% bonus AD, a ton more movement speed, and a 3x as long ultimate. One shotting is going to be stuuuupid.

KyutoryusOct 20, 20161 votes

I'm not worried about his numbers. I'm worried about his R which should be more thematic than anything else. it went from "You're a bestial hunter with these upgraded sense" to "you can now only see the person closest to you, but it's okay...a bit of crit and mroe movement is a fair trade-off"

Blue Collar BearOct 20, 20161 votes

Nothing's set it in stone. It's still on the PBE.

I saw some gameplay, and it's not "you can only see the person closest to you." You still have vision of anyone your team can see, or wards can see. If you pop it for vision trying to find the person that was just pushing a side lane, chances are that's the only one you need to see. It encourages smart play and risk taking. It's thematic.

KyutoryusOct 20, 20161 votes

i used it to give my team vision when we were about to engage a fight. It makes no sense to be able to see the closest guy without a ward but not the tank standing next to him or the rest f his team waiting for you at baron. You ONLY see him

You want theme? How about giving rengar sight based on his senses (Sight, smell, sound) Where you have truesight of the closest, smell the 2nd closest and have an outline of sorts, and hear the 3rd like rek'sai's footsteps mechanic? That's theme. You're actually gathering some form of information from your surroundings without getting too much info on anyone aside from the person closest to you like an actual hunter. what it is now is literally just stupid. especially with that blazing notification on top of the usual camo notification which should fade or grow mroe apparent the closer he is to you. It should just be oh you're on the edge of my ulti so no you know im coming.

Blue Collar BearOct 20, 20161 votes

From a design standpoint, though, does that really sound doable? It sounds overloaded and confusing for a large majority of the playerbase. The goal isn't to make an ability so that nobody can use it.

The hunt is about you and your prey. Shouldn't a hunter care most of all about their prey? Shouldn't the ability convey the thrill of the hunt? Does it make sense for it to give vision to your team? It's also about who Rengar is as a character.

KyutoryusOct 20, 20161 votes

Lol But you can't even pick your prey. Hell you get countered by who the hell is standing in front of you. Where the hell is the thrill in not being able to get to your prey at all because you're coming down river when you activate it and they just get back to their turret? How does it not make sense for you to know who's around you in your ultimate? You a fucking big cat with sharper sense than humans. What?

if having color coded shit is confusing to people then just give him truesight back.

Blue Collar BearOct 20, 20161 votes

I think you need to watch some gameplay of it. It's not like that.

He's a feline race, but not necessarily a cat. Looks kind of humanoid to me. :x

KyutoryusOct 20, 20161 votes

have watched gameplay of it and i have used it. They JUST changed it to you can now jump to other people. Before you could only jump to whoever had the eyes over them. The ultimate notification also goes on to whoever is closest in your ultimate's range, and that literally means that if they're on the edge of it they get the notification. it's not based on your distance from them when they enter your ulti's sight area.

Blue Collar BearOct 20, 20161 votes

Anyone know if his Q's bonus damage is still coded to give lifesteal?

KyutoryusOct 20, 20161 votes

his Q was considered a basic attack. it always gave lifesteal. now you need death's dance to get anything from it

Blue Collar BearOct 20, 20161 votes

So, it's being coded as an area of effect spell?