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Epilepsy and League

Blue Collar Bear··5 votes·1,731 views

I had a ranked match earlier where everyone was fuming at our mid laner, because we were all pinging her to help or do certain things (such as catch a fleeing enemy). However, s/he later informed us that s/he suffered from epilepsy, and s/he had turned off pings.

What is to be thought of this? I basically had a player on my team who I could not communicate with, since chat is rarely used in clutch moments. We all did our best to work around the fact that s/he had epilepsy, but I felt there was nothing we could do about it. This person's awareness was not up to par either, so there were often times where the player was not at objectives on time.

Is there an epilepsy friendly way to play League that would enable this person to communicate better? I would've loved to be able to pass this on.

EDIT:

A majority of users are commenting with only one type of epilepsy in mind, which is photosensitive epilepsy that only affects 5% of those with the condition. There are many kinds and many causes and many triggers. Please do some basic research before joining the discussion.

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The Queen Viper5 votes

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and s/he had turned off pings.

Lies.

You cannot turn pings "off" ... you can only mute them so that you don't hear them.

Blue Collar Bear1 votes

I wasn't sure what was capable, so I believed this person. I'm sure there's a way.

EDIT: After doing some light research, it's possible to mute the sound fx.

Some people also simply delete the game file associated with sound and pings.

Angry Monster1 votes

the patcher should auto correct that.

Blue Collar Bear1 votes

Well, I'm not an expert. I'm not sure if the patcher scans the game files before it boots up. If it does, I'm sure there are ways to work around it.

Phife4 votes

If someone had epilepsy, pings would be the last thing that gave them seizures....

Blue Collar Bear1 votes

After researching it, I can tell you that you're wrong.

Phife1 votes

Teamfights?

Blue Collar Bear2 votes

Epilepsy is a broad term that covers problems with the brain's electrical-based nervous system. There are a wide variety of triggers to a seizure and many types of seizure. Medication, diets, and surgery have made it possible to make most with the condition seizure free, meaning it would be safe to play.

What you are referring to is called photosensitive epilepsy and it only affects 5% of people with epilepsy. I'd assume that most people with this condition would find it hard to play, but I think it's safe to assume that the player did not have photosensitive epilepsy since s/he was playing a video game.

Pings could cause epilepsy, but there are many causes.

A Small Dog3 votes

I'm all for making games of any kind safe for anyone to enjoy I really am, but my question would be if it's so bad they can't even have pings, how do they make it through a team fight?

I'm not an expert on epilepsy or most things medicine, but from what I do know, all the sounds, flashing particles and effects would be even worse than pings. Unless there's some option to turn off all those effects but that would make playing pretty difficult in general. Now I'm not calling this person a liar by any means, as I said I am no expert and could be wrong on a few things, but I am just genuinely confused and curious about that.

All in all though I do think it'd be pretty neat of Riot to add some kind of feature to make it easier for people with medical conditions to play if there isn't already.

Blue Collar Bear2 votes

I did some light reading on it, and I know there's many different types of epilepsy and different reasons for people to have seizures.

There's surely some way to make the game more friendly.

xX420n0sc0pzXx1 votes

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Blue Collar Bear2 votes

It's obvious that your views are toxic as hell, and that you're probably not a very good person.

Keep on, man. I think it might work someday.

Angry Monster1 votes

stupidest thing i have read. people epilepsy are told not to play video games by there doctors. The player that you are talking about is fucking stupid for putting themselves in a environment where they KNOW they can get hurt.

Blue Collar Bear1 votes

I advise you to read the edit in the original post.

Seeing as the amount of school shootings in the US has increased rapidly (40+ in the last year, I think?), shouldn't you stop going to school seeing as it is a situation in which it's probable you could get hurt?

Angry Monster1 votes

Or maybe that school officials should do there job.

The fact of the matter one is a choice and the other is needed to move ahead in life. One is also self inflicted the other is done by crazy people. They are not equal and you should look in the mirror on this one. This straw man argument does not work

Blue Collar Bear1 votes

I'll give another argument. Perhaps you have a favorite food. Suddenly, you develop an allergy to it. It makes you extremely upset that you can't eat your favorite food. It's a comfort, and you miss it.

I'd also like to provide that video games are safe for a majority of people with epilepsy.

Angry Monster1 votes

And so what? You stop eating your favorite food. Part of being an adult is understanding that some times you have to make sacrifices. Life sucks but you need to do what you need to do to live.

I'd also like to provide that video games are safe for a majority of people with epilepsy.

flase

Blue Collar Bear1 votes

I believe that those with disabilities should be allowed to have fun. I'm sorry that you do not agree.

Also, the Epilepsy Foundation's website says you are "flase"

Angry Monster1 votes

First off its not about fun, its about being smart and knowing what will hurt you. I am sry that you are twisting the issue.

I am also sad that foundation is giving false advice.

Blue Collar Bear1 votes

Well, feel free to give a counterexample.

Angry Monster1 votes

So cause you keep pushing this stupidity, i finally went to the link instead of trusting you. First off your link does not say

that video games are safe for a majority of people with epilepsy.

All it does say that there are things to minimize. This is not the something as safe it means you can take steps to help prevent something. 2 different things and irresponsible to make it sound ""SAFE"". This is like tell an alcoholic to go to a bar and wait and see what happens.

A stupid fact that your probably not aware of is that people with epilepsy can and usually have more than one trigger. While only 3% of seizures are from photo sensitivity that does not mean only 3% of the suffers have only that trigger. Ever think maybe the number is low because people are being smart and staying away from a trigger?

I am sry that i do not have a recording of a doctor visit for you. I have been present for family members and were asked by the doctor to help limit the person desire to play since it was dangerous.

Your running around preaching and have no clue what you are talking about. You might as well be throwing people of roofs and see if they are getting hurt; with how reckless you are.

Blue Collar Bear1 votes

From what I researched, it would seem safe for someone who had their epilepsy under control through medication (i.e. symptom free) to play video games. Nobody has to listen to me, and I am not pushing/preaching. You are free to leave the discussion whenever you please, which I will now do for a few reasons: 1) your tone is condescending, 2) you're not providing sources for me to use, and 3) you're attacking me as a person and not my argument. I don't think we'll get anywhere with this.

As for the original discussion, people with epilepsy are going to do whatever they please, even if it is dangerous. Apparently, someone with epilepsy was in one of my games and I was unable to help them communicate better with my team. I am still seeking information other than "don't play" to help the next person I encounter to make the game safer or to give them a better experience.

xX420n0sc0pzXx2 votes

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Ipols3 votes

carefull, you may cut with those edges

Blue Collar Bear1 votes

I hope you improve your attitude, man. This was painful to read.

xX420n0sc0pzXx1 votes

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Blue Collar Bear2 votes

You just advocated that making League more harmful to its disabled users is what you want (and for some reason they deserve it? wtf).

Things like that piss me off.

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Akeydel1 votes

You certainly are bold, I've never seen anyone advocate for eugenics so bluntly. Except the nazis, but who's keeping track?

Blue Collar Bear2 votes

The United States had a very brief eugenics movement, but it was quickly stomped out. I do believe eugenics is now an international crime.

I debated about making a response to him about how is views align with Neo-Nazism, but I decided to just report all his posts instead. It's working for me.

Sythriel Draken1 votes

As a person with epilepsy, I approve of this. He/she might be one of those that suffer from reflex seizures(triggered by flashing lights such as the flashing symbols that happen when you ping a place) so something that could lessen the suddenness of those would be really appreciated. Maybe having an option that if you turn it on it only shows up once no matter how many times someone pings to stop the flashing would be the solution.

Blue Collar Bear2 votes

Perhaps, there could be a way to make pings simply static? If the image was static, then it wouldn't flash and only appear.

I didn't want to be that guy to this person. I apologized to him/her, and I asked how I could help but I never got a response.

BakedLotion1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Fluffysaurus Rex,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PFsPXbYE,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-04-26T00:27:02.248+0000)

I had a ranked match earlier where everyone was fuming at our mid laner, because we were all pinging her to help or do certain things (such as catch a fleeing enemy). However, s/he later informed us that s/he suffered from epilepsy, and s/he had turned off pings.

What is to be thought of this? I basically had a player on my team who I could not communicate with, since chat is rarely used in clutch moments. We all did our best to work around the fact that s/he had epilepsy, but I felt there was nothing we could do about it. This person's awareness was not up to par either, so there were often times where the player was not at objectives on time.

Is there an epilepsy friendly way to play League that would enable this person to communicate better? I would've loved to be able to pass this on.

I'd rather have an epileptic girl than have a feeder or afker or troll, be glad and grateful that she's your #2 choice.

Blue Collar Bear1 votes

s/he is shorthand for she or he. I'm not sure if the person was a female.

BakedLotion1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Fluffysaurus Rex,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PFsPXbYE,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2015-04-26T01:05:08.702+0000)

s/he is shorthand for she or he. I'm not sure if the person was a female.

that is what u got out of my comment? lol.

Blue Collar Bear1 votes

Your comment is what you got out of my post? :p

BakedLotion1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Fluffysaurus Rex,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PFsPXbYE,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2015-04-26T01:20:43.152+0000)

Your comment is what you got out of my post? :p

but mine was relevant

Blue Collar Bear1 votes

Is there an epilepsy friendly way to play League that would enable this person to communicate better?

This was the conclusion to my post, and your comment did not provide any useful information. Your post is also not relevant at all to what I am trying to achieve. I am trying to help people play the game when they are at a disadvantage. I am not here to lament over the fact that I lost a game because a teammate couldn't communicate, which is the focus of your comment. I would be more grateful if you had some useful information that I could've passed on to this person.

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