Riots new form of counterplay

GigglesO·Feb 2, 2018·113 votes·4,368 views

"don't get in range to get hit"

Remember to take cleanse against MAlz too.

92 Comments

OxyrottenFeb 2, 201849 votes

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Everyone gets a stopwatch, so everyone has counterplay! Problem solved! :D - Riot

HarrisonOwnsFeb 2, 201821 votes

Whoever added this is an idiot.

I'd love to see the process, "let's add a mini zhonyas anyone can get LOL HURRRRR"

Watching LCS you see 4-5 on every fucking team. It's still not removed.

OxyrottenFeb 2, 201820 votes

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Whoever added this is an idiot.

I'd love to see the process, "let's add a mini zhonyas anyone can get LOL HURRRRR"

Watching LCS you see 4-5 on every fucking team. It's still not removed.

Have you seen that video of the team fight that lasted a few minutes and every single person was saved by a stopwatch?

GigglesOFeb 2, 20186 votes

Yes, and its silly that instead of reasonably making towers dangerous to dive we just made stopwatch to make it safe for you. Not only do you get a kill, but you get to deny the enemy the kill too.

Ariel the CruelFeb 3, 201810 votes

I remember a time when every fight could last a few minutes. . .

OxyrottenFeb 3, 20182 votes

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I remember a time when every fight could last a few minutes. . .

Yeah. Me too friend. Me too.

Z3SleeperFeb 3, 20182 votes

Gotta love Pink Ward buying Zhonyas AND Stopwatch on Shaco. Such a troll

HalcyonDwellerFeb 2, 20187 votes

The problem is it's availability for free on Runes. So of course everybody is going to take it, it's super gold efficient.

It's not like pre-sight is 20-20 like hindsight is.

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I'd love to see the process, "let's add a mini zhonyas anyone can get LOL HURRRRR"

Development is a complicated process, it's not as simple as that.

Just because you're pissed about things (and rightfully so) does not give you the right to treat other people like garbage.

The Devs at Riot are human just like you and I are. I'm sure that you wouldn't want your colleagues to point at you and say "LOL HURRRR" when you make mistakes. Show a little common decency.

Tomoe GozenFeb 3, 20183 votes

You do realize you just contradicted the entire existence of boards? You do know that before all of this shit, EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER wanted an ADC Zhonya's like item? Do you now realize why Riot didn't want more specialized Zhonyas for everyone? One time use Zhonya's bridged this gap and i can agree that it is too strong since everyone is taking it.

But the timing can simply be pushed to 10 minutes as with the Magical Footwear rune. Zhonya's users won't mind that much since it does come with a perk of 300 less gold and 15% CDR on Zhonya's while regular users would feel extra the 4 minutes of prep time.

HarrisonOwnsFeb 3, 20184 votes

This game has WAY TOO MANY "get out of jail free cards."

Adding stopwatch was flat out stupidity.

What they need to do is reduce damage across the board, not add moronic idiocy like mini-zhonyas that doesn't address the problem, but exacerbate it by allowing the bursty champions a free escape.

Cloud273Feb 3, 20182 votes

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Everyone gets a stopwatch, so everyone has counterplay! Problem solved! :D - Riot

The stopwatch was probably added to prevent early game tower dives, but unfortunately they made it so junglers and assassins can also abuse this item. If they removed the item as a component for Guardians it would probably fix the problem.

OxyrottenFeb 3, 20182 votes

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The stopwatch was probably added to prevent early game tower dives, but unfortunately they made it so junglers and assassins can also abuse this item. If they removed the item as a component for Guardians it would probably fix the problem.

And stoneplate and hourglass? And masteries?

KaisadiIIaFeb 3, 20184 votes

Fuck countless times I've failed a play because I didn't remember Sivir or Riven can now Zhonyas.

greekvandaLFeb 2, 201827 votes

Veigar Anivia hehe

GigglesOFeb 2, 201813 votes

Can't get close without two shotted, can't get close because of ulti that clears all minions at all points past level 6.

Handin Out NapsFeb 2, 201813 votes

Dont forget the mana item powerspike. Wow nice damage anivia wp : ).

BarkleyFeb 2, 201821 votes

It honestly feels like Riot is just grasping at straws to try to balance the game after runes reforged. A lot of impulsive decisions, very little forethought. Just desperation move after desperation move when it comes to recent balance changes.

In frantically and impulsively trying to make things better, they just continue to make things exponentially worse.

GigglesOFeb 2, 20184 votes

Well I can answer this one for you. There is a strong belief that the ability to take damage ruins the game. So instead of allowing anyone to take damage and survive they allow noone.

So when a tank gets called op because their damage is too high for their beefyness they nerf their TANK stats. Now we are left with a shell of a game that is "I outplayed you by oneshotting you first"

BarkleyFeb 2, 201811 votes

In a perfect world, tanks would be largely unkillable, and largely ignorable aside from their CC. The only reason you'd focus a tank is because they're stopping your team from accomplishing their goals - IE killing people. Not because they're a HUGE damage threat.

In an ideal world, you'd be telling your team "Walk past him. get past him. don't focus him, focus the high value targets. You're playing right into his hands!"

In our world, its more like "HOLY SHIT KILL THE TANK, KILLL THE TANKKK!! HE'S MURDERING EVERYONE!!!"

Tanks, in any real strategy game, are there to distract and disrupt. That's their job. That's their ONLY job.

Tanks in league of legends function as basically another carry, except they're a carry that can take more than one shot to the face before blowing up - making them somtimes even MORE valuable than the ACTUAL carries.

SpiritOfOdysseusFeb 2, 20182 votes

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Tanks, in any real strategy game, are there to distract and disrupt. That's their job. That's their ONLY job.

I think you're delusional or mistaken. Tanks in strategy and action games alike are very often battle tanks, which are used in _real life _military to punch through fortifications and frontlines with their large caliber cannon. That is the evolution of modern warfare. Thats the beauty of the birth of the gasoline and diesel engine: Instead of lugging a large caliber cannon with the men exposed to war elements while trying to break through the trenches of world war 1, the British devised a metaphorical mechanized iron turtle outfitted with diverse armament coupled with several millimeters of riveted steel plate that had the engine doing the heavy lifting. Not only was this effective, but it changed the way war was fought forever.

But for some reason when a video game genre called a MOBA came out, people started to really confuse the integrity of the word "tank" with some sticky meatshield abomination, instead of a deasil driven, heavily-armored siege weapon- the antithesis of fortifications.

Votable JesterFeb 3, 20189 votes

Tank has had a special meaning in gaming long before MOBAs were a thing. They were generally useful in holding aggro from bosses and surviving the blows while their squishy dps teammates whittled that boss down in relative safety.

DisulfiramFeb 5, 20181 votes

Proving your point:

http://www.baldursgatemods.com/forums/index.php?topic=4283.0

ChaosThiefFeb 3, 20186 votes

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I think you're delusional or mistaken. Tanks in strategy and action games alike are very often battle tanks, which are used in _real life _military to punch through fortifications and frontlines with their large caliber cannon. That is the evolution of modern warfare. Thats the beauty of the birth of the gasoline and diesel engine: Instead of lugging a large caliber cannon with the men exposed to war elements while trying to break through the trenches of world war 1, the British devised a metaphorical mechanized iron turtle outfitted with diverse armament coupled with several millimeters of riveted steel plate that had the engine doing the heavy lifting. Not only was this effective, but it changed the way war was fought forever.

But for some reason when a video game genre called a MOBA came out, people started to really confuse the integrity of the word "tank" with some sticky meatshield abomination, instead of a deasil driven, heavily-armored siege weapon- the antithesis of fortifications.

"Tank" as a term for a meatshield is actually just a general term in video games, and has existed for a while. It honestly doesn't make any sense though, compared to the real thing; the real thing is not only hard to kill but also capable of being quite the threat, and required that you have special weaponry to even take it out.

For the longest time video games have referred to the durable disruption bots that don't hurt as "tanks" when really it makes no sense.

cocacolalipsFeb 2, 201810 votes

Riot had 2-3 good years (season 3-5) where they started reworking and removing all the cancer from the game, all the point and click crowd control & one shot non sense (assassins had crowd control back then, kassadin, talon, leblanc etc all had silence, fiora with her one shot R button, stuff like veigar R, anivia E, annie R, zilean Q got changed, taric, sion etc with their point and click stun got reworked), but somewhere in season 6 they stopped doing that and now we are back in the dark age of LoL, with the chogath, malzahar, syndra, rengar revert, leblanc revert, camille release with broken point and click spells and other one shot garbage, and all those point blank crowd control skill shot spells that last an eternity (with the new zoe E as the cherry on top).

The real question is how long this dark period is going to last before they get their sh:t together again, if ever.

Sex With AnnieFeb 2, 20188 votes

Cleanse doesn't work against malz

CudyDarkyzFeb 2, 201826 votes

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Craft ZeppelinFeb 3, 20182 votes

There are some players in damn gold 2 who would take cleanse against malz. Like, even if it DID cleanse his ult off. His damn SILENCE prohibits you to even use summoner spells damn sake.

RhaiFeb 4, 20185 votes

Fun fact: Teleport and Flash are the only two summoners you can't use while silenced. Everything else is fair game.

Craft ZeppelinFeb 4, 20182 votes

Really? Well this is something new here...thanks

AsudurgaFeb 3, 20187 votes

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YaskamasandwichFeb 2, 20186 votes

I thought that it was counter picking instead of counter play now.

GigglesOFeb 2, 20186 votes

Oh I'm sorry, but I'm pretty sure riot said "we don't want you to lose in champ select".

Hopefully we could get a rioter in here for clarification.

YaskamasandwichFeb 2, 20183 votes

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Oh I'm sorry, but I'm pretty sure riot said "we don't want you to lose in champ select".

Hopefully we could get a rioter in here for clarification.

They did? Hub never heard them say it. Need clarification indeed.

Vistha D ReptileFeb 3, 20183 votes

What Riot says and what Riot does are two fundamentally different things.

RainbowIceeFeb 2, 20185 votes

btw the cleanse thing is a meme in some regions it wasn't serious just letting you know.

SalronFeb 3, 20185 votes

"New" This is how counterplay used to be for most champions If anything that'd be defined as the old counterplay

AMYS GRAVEFeb 2, 20183 votes

"don't get in range to get hit"

That's called kiting, and is a very effective form of counterplay in many situations.

GigglesOFeb 2, 20188 votes

Except that adc's stand still. Its not kiting if they are a mobile nexus turret.

AMYS GRAVEFeb 2, 20183 votes

Except that adc's stand still.

I think a word is missing from that statement....

GigglesOFeb 2, 20182 votes

Oh I'm sorry I mispelt ranged attack damage nuke's

PB4UAMEFeb 3, 20183 votes

Its not missing a word, its just incorrectly a singular contraction instead of plural.

"Except that ADC is stand still"

Should be, "Except that ADCs stand still"

Catwalk LadyFeb 3, 20182 votes

Excuse me, but calling them a Nexus Turret is an insult, they're more like a B-52 Bomber. Nexus Turrets are literally free wards that, Pew Pew Pew.

RaiyzaFeb 2, 20183 votes

You can't kite point and click. No matter how much you orb walk or zig zag, a Ryze W will ALWAYS hit.

SpiritOfOdysseusFeb 2, 20185 votes

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That's called kiting, and is a very effective form of counterplay in many situations.

Which is crazy considering when talking about getting in range to get hit is usually talking about a RANGED champion's damage range, who oddly are the ones that can kite with impunity against the scary ol' melee bruisers that'd kill your cat for just ONE damage opportunity that isn't innately tied to their only escape ability being used.