remind me again how a "good adc" should be able to carry a bad mid and top\jg? adc is NOT the strongest role right now and it needs a buff to some of the non meta adcs. i'm sick of people saying "your top and mid might have gone 0/18 but any good adc could carry that". well, unless you think challenger level is not "good" then you can't use that argument anymore. gosu is proof, look up his new smurf 7151921
Critmaster Garen3 votesa good adc can carry the game. its now just that a good top laner can also carry the game. meaning winning bot lane doesnt automatically mean you have already won game.
get used to it.
disregardable3 votesbut winning top/mid lane does, because balance.
ScriptBrand1 votesso you're saying gosu isn't a good adc?
Critmaster Garen1 votes[{quoted}](name=TSM Turt Wildr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eAOssjiH,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2015-09-26T03:54:43.307+0000)
so you're saying gosu isn't a good adc?
im saying those guys who won top and mid were clearly better than his own team. you have 1 guy who can carry his team vs the other 2 guys who carry their team.
this isnt even a new thing. most pros wont win every single game in bronze and silver. because any single person can only compensate for the rest of his team to a degree. some games you simply can not carry no matter how good you are and what position youre playing.
ScriptBrand1 voteschallenger adc can't carry level 20 games and you don't think something is wrong. you basically just agreed with me i said "if top and mid go 0/18" meaning THE OTHER TOP AND MID ARE BETTER THAN OURS, then you are most likely not going to win this game. on the other hand, if you win bot lane hard, you're still not guaranteed to win the game because assasains and jugs are too fkin strong right now
Critmaster Garen2 votes[{quoted}](name=TSM Turt Wildr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eAOssjiH,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2015-09-26T04:06:34.916+0000)
challenger adc can't carry level 20 games and you don't think something is wrong. you basically just agreed with me i said "if top and mid go 0/18" meaning THE OTHER TOP AND MID ARE BETTER THAN OURS, then you are most likely not going to win this game. on the other hand, if you win bot lane hard, you're still not guaranteed to win the game because assasains and jugs are too fkin strong right now
dont twist the words in my mouth. im not agreeing. on the contrary.
what im saying is a challenger cant carry every single game. even at level 20, bronze or silver. it doesnt matter if he plays bot, mid, top, or jungle. but he will win more games than hes losing.
except for that one single game. how many others did he lose that day?
ScriptBrand1 votesno, a 40% lose rate for a challenger in unranked normals is not OK. if he would have been a mid or top lane main, i promise you he would be above 85% win rate right now...don't give me that bullshit
Critmaster Garen1 votes[{quoted}](name=TSM Turt Wildr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eAOssjiH,comment-id=000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2015-09-26T04:10:15.796+0000)
no, a 40% lose rate for a challenger in unranked normals is not OK. if he would have been a mid or top lane main, i promise you he would be above 85% win rate right now...don't give me that bullshit
speculation. you have no actual statistics to support your argument.
go watch streams of pros who play from bronze/unranked to challenger. and youll find that theyre not winning every single game even at low elo. this is a team game and a single paly can not carry a game on his won.
if there is a 20/0 adc and two 20/0 mid/top laners, then there are at least 2 people carrying on the opposing team (probably also the jungler), and 1 on the challengers team.
ScriptBrand1 votesexcept he loses games to plat and gold mid lane smurfs?
Critmaster Garen1 votes[{quoted}](name=TSM Turt Wildr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eAOssjiH,comment-id=00000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-09-26T04:12:56.718+0000)
except he loses games to plat and gold mid lane smurfs?
you didnt answer my question by the way. how many more games did you see him lose that day compared to the ones he won?
by the way, there is a thing as normal mmr. if hes winning 20 games straight in a row, he gets matched with more and more competent players. even in his skill range in normals at some point.
and how his support performed also plays a big role.
ScriptBrand1 voteslet's see, he streamed today and lost 3 games in a row and shut off stream and then lost more games...it's not hard to look this shit up. he even said on stream "if you want to climb elo, don't play adc"....and i promise you he is more aware of the game than you or me.
Critmaster Garen1 votes[{quoted}](name=TSM Turt Wildr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eAOssjiH,comment-id=0000000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-09-26T04:15:58.062+0000)
let's see, he streamed today and lost 3 games in a row and shut off stream and then lost more games...it's not hard to look this shit up. he even said on stream "if you want to climb elo, don't play adc"....and i promise you he is more aware of the game than you or me.
is he? he plays the game usually with entirely different people at an entirely different level.
he expects his teammates to react to situations like pros, because thats where he usually plays at. i can imagine its quite difficult to switch from a challenger level support to a lvl 20 support who makes seemingly random plays because hes entirely new to the game.
he sees an opening to make a play, goes in on the enemy adc and support. his own support doesnt realize what happens and doesnt follow up. hes dead. the best player in the world cant compensate or a situation like that.
its notable, that people in lower ranks dont just play generally worse, but play the game entirely different than in d1 or challenger.
also, juggernauts are actually barely played in diamond and upwards because theyre far from op in these divisions. people work better together to kite and peel them. they counterpick better and build teamcomps that can deal with them. something that lower divisions usually dont do.
Meep Man1 votes[{quoted}](name=TSM Turt Wildr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eAOssjiH,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2015-09-26T04:06:34.916+0000)
challenger adc can't carry level 20 games and you don't think something is wrong. you basically just agreed with me i said "if top and mid go 0/18" meaning THE OTHER TOP AND MID ARE BETTER THAN OURS, then you are most likely not going to win this game. on the other hand, if you win bot lane hard, you're still not guaranteed to win the game because assasains and jugs are too fkin strong right now
Oh you are one of these guys.
"Im ADC. Im fed. Im a good ADC. Therefore, nothing can kill me."
"Nerf it!"
ScriptBrand1 votesplease point out where I said something needed to be nerfed? moreover, please explain why a challenger adc is unable to carry games with level 20s who have never played before and gold\plat smurfs...
Bears Dont Care1 votes[{quoted}](name=TSM Turt Wildr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eAOssjiH,comment-id=000000010000000000010000,timestamp=2015-09-26T05:07:17.877+0000)
please point out where I said something needed to be nerfed? moreover, please explain why a challenger adc is unable to carry games with level 20s who have never played before and gold\plat smurfs...
Professional players have a different mindset to solo queue. they rely on the team more despite their massive skill. Adcs are reliant on the support togain their carry potential. If a game goes bad it is that much harder for an adc to be fed.
warpenguin5553 votesadcs dont need buffs.