Garen should not exist

InfinitexMortal··3 votes·801 views

What kind of troll designed this champ? A melee tank that is one of the hardest champs to kill, restores his health just by walking out of the fight in like 20 seconds, gets more op with time, scales his magic resist and armor, does way more dmg than most tanks sept for a stacked Nasus or a Tahm Kench (also broken), has a super run like blitz but without the slow on the end, has a silence even though he is a melee champs and the only other champs with silence are mages, has an aoe spin for group fights, and has a lock on kill that does more than a quarter of someones hp bar and even more if he has you on his mind with his little picture next to his head. Like how is this supposed to be balanced? And dont be like "oh well in high elos" or "he is very easy to counter play and kite" not in lower levels he is not everyone feeds him any team with a Garen auto wins every single game. He might be op so that new players can feel like they are doing something but in the hands of a good player he becomes broken. maybe not super broken but broken none the less.

18 Comments

Ralanr7 votes

Stop. Calling. Garen. A. TANK.

There is more to being a tank than being hard to kill.

AlwaysByMySide3 votes

You should not exist.

Spanked eGirl2 votes

He's a beginners, low-skill champ.

InfinitexMortal1 votes

Wouldn't that make him really good in the hands of a really good player since they would have to put forward barely any effort to do good with him?

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

And we're still seeing 0 Garen picks in LCS (even after he got his Juggernaut rework), so you should know what that means.

Critmaster Garen2 votes

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And we're still seeing 0 Garen picks in LCS (even after he got his Juggernaut rework), so you should know what that means.

thank goodness tbh. hes a good solo que champion. thats what matters to me. anything that sees LCS play gets the nerf bat sooner or later anyways.

i dont need to get my main nerfed, because some pro team finds a cheese comp around him, that wed never be able to pull off ourselves because it would require full cooperation and communication from our team.

Omega T33mo2 votes

I AGREE SO MUCH

Critmaster Garen2 votes

no one wants to teamfigh this season. its because death timers are ridiculous and getting killed at 20 minutes means its the end of the game. so everyone is just split pushing, hoping to get an easy pick on one of their opponents and avoiding direct fights. i dont think that makes much of a difference when it comes to garens strength though.

on the other hand, he is stronger in skirmishes than 5v5 fights.

Guyy Fieri1 votes

Garen has no CC, just his silence. Seriously, CC lock the Garen. When he dives your team just focus fire him, don't let him touch your carries and then, when hes dead or leaves the fight, you are up a person and can win the ensuing fight. That is literally the counterplay to Garen.

InfinitexMortal1 votes

So you want the team to focus the tank?

LaughingMan116 votes

Don't focus the Bruiser (hes not a tank), just keep him off your team, if hes literally the only thing attacking your team, kill him. Even 1v5 he shouldn't be able to kill all of you.

Guyy Fieri2 votes

For the thousandth time Garens not a tank. He is a bruiser. He is also a dive fighter. Dive fighter want to dive the back line hard. However, doing this can also separate him from the rest of his team. When this happens, Cc him and make it to where their team can't hit the targets that matter but your team can all focus Garen.

Team fighting is difficult I get it but Garen isn't the hardest to team fight against since his counter is so glaringly apparent.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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And dont be like "oh well in high elos" or "he is very easy to counter play and kite" not in lower levels he is not everyone feeds him any team with a Garen auto wins every single game.

thats a problem of lower elos, not of the game.

the game doesnt need to be balanced around bronze and silver. its bronze and silver players who need to learn to play the game. champs that stomp these noob elos have always existed.

if youd remove garen from the field hed just get replaced by the next guy. its just how these divisions work, or dont work.

do you think people would peel more when it was vi, jax, yi, wukong or pretty much any other champion? what is riot supposed to do? remove every melee champion from the game, until you dont have to kite anymore?

and then what? proceed with mages, because they burst your squishy ass?

garen is a solid champion around plat and diamond now, but not op. riot has decided that everything below doesnt matter in terms of game balance.

InfinitexMortal1 votes

I can see your point didnt think about that. Its still irritating in lower levels but like you said the game is balanced for higher level play. Champs like this are like Ornstein and Smough i guess XD

CoolMike1271 votes

Garen has no hard CC and no instant repositioning tool to get to your carries. His passive is also useless during the middle of a teamfight, as he can't start healing during combat and by the time his passive starts, the teamfight is already over...

There are many more champions out there that are more frustrating than Garen...

InfinitexMortal1 votes

Thats probably the major issue is lower levels dont seem to want to teamfight which leads to garen being unstopable

CoolMike1271 votes

Garen isn't a duelist, he does constant dps. Any full bruiser can overpower him in a 1v1... (ex. Jax )

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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Garen isn't a duelist, he does constant dps. Any full bruiser can overpower him in a 1v1... (ex. Jax )

not if you have the villain mark :)

riot really wants you to play around it. the goal for garens team is to help him get to the villain and stick. th goal for the enemy team is to prevent that.

if the stars align, and you manage to take down one villain after another in a teamfight, you can cary the shit out of a game as garen.

its basically like darius starts out slow and then just explodes at some point in a teamfight. garen just carries consistently.

but usually his real value is exactly to counter champions like jax who become respectable tanky lategame and like to snowball on your squishy teammates. which coincidentally makes garen darius hardest counter around midgame, while darius counters garen very early on in the lane phase.

basically, darius likes to chain dunk, but when he does, he makes himself the villain.

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