Bruisers and duelists should not be hitting as hard as assassins in the same time frame.

we havent met··4 votes·2,068 views

Champions like renekton or jax or honestly just bruisers and duelists (im grouping them specifically because i dont want my post to get derailed by semantics on class names) should not be able to be bursting things in a second or less. I'll say im fine with them having damage, but they build steraks (which gives them as much ad as youmous just by the way.) proceed to dash to the backline and kill squishies like their roles are assassins. It's so stupid. Someone with 3k hp should not be hitting me 100-0 in a matter of 1-2 seconds. Not to mention the lack of counterplay. Especially when fed. Renekton will stun lock you and one shot you Jax will do the exact same thing. Irelia is also fairly capable of doing so but shes been nerfed so much its a little bit more skill based Dont even get me started on riven tbh. Like a fed adc is squishy, and will die. A fed assassin is also squishy and is a little harder to hit but generally cant survive burst thrown at them Mages are squishy and die easily while having burst and cc to protect them Tanks are basically walking noodles at this rate, which is why its incredibly frustrating to see one group of champs do 2 class jobs better as one.

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The thigh guy4 votes

They also shouldn’t be tankier than tanks Have more dps than adcs And have more ms than a hecarim. But muh bruisers suck. :c

we havent met2 votes

AGREE. For all the "tOp lAnE sO uSelEss" posts i see i completely agree with you lmao

Ragnaveil4 votes

I'm tired of having to correct ignorant people so ima just stop bothering with it. Keep saying bruisers are an issue, makes you look real dumb when you understand toplane.

mark60282 votes

Well b ruisers are an issue at low ranks which is where all these complaints always come from.

Meanwhile mages and adcs destroying elos that actually matter left and right.

Ragnaveil2 votes

..........Fighters. It is fighters that are the problem for the nth time. Riot neglecting top has allowed said fighters to become bruisers while retaining their high damage and mobility. Bruisers trade off some damage and mobility for the most part for tankyness.

mark60281 votes

Fighers are bruisers. What is this semantics bullshit people are going around here.

"No it's not mages that are overpowered. It's artillery control mage assassins that happen to be AP that are overpowered!"

Fighter=Bruiser.

Bruiser= Tanky high damage threats. Often are sustained damage dealers. Easy to remember.

Mobility is a must in this shit ass game where adcs get 800 range nukes and everyone has ten gadrillion CC spells to slow you, knock u up and what not.

Darius will never be viable in this day and age, same as nasus.

Jax with his "insane" mobility is a bruiser. Irelia used to be now she is more of an assassin in her playstyle. Camille is definitely a bruiser so is Darius. Difference being is that bruiser mobility ends the moment they reach their target. While assassins like zed and leblanc get out again.

we havent met1 votes

So you dont want to correct me and assume im ignorant. sure jan.

Ragnaveil2 votes

You dont understand top yet make a post like this. How can I not assume that?

we havent met1 votes

It's not about top lane though. It's about the classes in its entirety. Bruisers shouldnt be having burst windows like assassins. That seems like common sense but you arent getting that

Ragnaveil2 votes

It's not bruisers though. Its Fighters. Fighters are the ones with high mobility and damage.

we havent met2 votes

You see i was actually waiting for a comment like this one.

Champions like renekton or jax or honestly just bruisers and duelists (im grouping them specifically because i dont want my post to get derailed by semantics on class names

Ok so it was really fucking hard to find the original link for bruisers. So i went to a post about bruisers from 2018

It had fiora riven and camille in it.

And as far as i know, bruisers are a type of fighter. If im wrong, i still included duelists. Which the champions i listed do fit into that category.

But above all else your entire argument to derail what im saying is over semantics and not the actual point itself.

Ragnaveil1 votes

Whoever put Fiora and Riven as bruisers, has to be really dumb. Like not even joking. Both of them have mobility that rivals adcs like Kai, Lucian, Vayne, and Trist. Not one bruiser has mobility in spades. If you simply mentioned fighters, I wouldn't have disagreed with you at all. The problem with just saying bruisers and that is it is because champs that are of the bruiser archetype would be getting blamed for something they didn't do, and if Riot were to magically listen, they would get nerfed and likely suffer a terrible fate. See tanks on that one (there were a problem, but the problem was getting blow out of proportion).

JackMcCarry1 votes

Bruisers is a general nickname to beefy melee champs. Renekton and Jax are beefy melee champs. Bruisers were never a term used to catagorize the class by Riot it was coined by the community. The offical terms are Fighters (Juggernauts and Divers) and Slayers (Assassins and Skrimishers)

So OP isnt wrong, Bruisers is used to catagorize a very wide selection of champions, kinda like "supports", you're not wrong either tho, Jax and Renekton are fighters/skrimishers.

Ragnaveil1 votes

Heres the thing. If we take fighters as a whole, I see two different types: High damage high mobility and mid damage mid defensive. Riot's classification wont help cuz even they dont follow it anymore (lets just let mages one shot people so we cant tell the difference between LB and Annie). Fighter class as a whole needs to be divided as Fighter and Bruiser, simple as that. This whole, Diver, Skirmishers, whatever thing doesn't matter when anyone can be anything at this point.

JackMcCarry1 votes

Fighters ARE divided, to Juggernaut and Divers. The nimble duelers are called Skrimishers under the "Slayer" catagory

You're right to seperate them, bruiser is just an outdated term to crowd all melee champs under one name, Riot isnt even using the term, so i think it's safe to say they wont nerf Darius just because OP name dropped "bruiser" in the title.

Ragnaveil1 votes

Issue is some of the champs that would be forced to fall under juggernaut are far from being juggernauts. Trundle is one example. Thats why the whole "Fighter" term is outdated imo, and needs to have that roster add bruiser as a subclass. Realised trying to split them hard isn't really worth it, but making the bruiser thing a subclass would be much easier to do.

Zeyphel3 votes

Tell me about a bruiser that hits as hard as a Zed in the same time frame.

Death by Glamour2 votes

inb4 "but mages op guys"

yeh they are pretty stong but so are bruisers right now

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