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Black Cleaver is too easy to exploit

6Sfool·4/13/2017, 9:11:28 PM·2 votes·321 views

The nerfs coming with the tank itemization changes will not solve the real issue with Cleaver being too general. It's actual issue is how fast certain champs can stack it. Graves, Lucian, and Ashe build it for one reason: multi-hits. Graves can fully stack it in one crit, and Ashe and Lucian can nearly do the same. They would normally build Last whisper, but with instant stacking they might as well take Cleaver.

How do we fix that? Put a cap on how many times per second it can stack. I think a good number would be 2 times per half second. That means that the minimum time to fully stack it is 1.5 seconds, but realistically even the abusers would take around 2 seconds. The intended champs would not be affected so much.

2 Comments

Kilanost4/13/2017, 9:57:37 PM2 votes

The only time he gets max stacks off BC in 1 hit is if he crits AND he autos from point-blank range. Anything less than point blank range requires 2 autos minimum. Generally most people playing graves will only build 1 crit item in any build involving BC.

Also, Graves is an intended user of BC. Despite being called a "marksman" graves is really a melee bruiser/fighter. his max range is terrible and attacking at max range reduces his damage significantly.

Combine those two points and you will come to understand why changing the BC interaction with Graves is not appropriate.

As for building it on Ashe and Lucian, if anyone else on their team is building a BC, them building another actually becomes wasteful and they end up doing less damage than if they let the bruiser stack BC for them and they built a LW item instead. So I'm good with that trade off.