It's time to revert the Evelynn E nerf

Dunderflump·6/8/2015, 9:55:41 PM·63 votes·3,398 views

Deathfire was removed. E was nerfed because of Deathfire burst.

V4.1: Ravage Now deals physical damage instead of magic damage.

Either that or give her another damned rework because I'm tired of playing her as a tank.

63 Comments

Adrian Umbra6/8/2015, 11:36:09 PM12 votes

This. Riot nerfed her hard in response to magic pen stacking Eve's burst with DFG. Now that DFG is gone and magic pen has lost some of its power, it might be time to look at reverting some of her nerfs.

Who knows, she might actually get to build like an assassin again...

Widder886/9/2015, 7:01:26 AM6 votes

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Deathfire was removed. E was nerfed because of Deathfire burst.

Either that or give her another damned rework because I'm tired of playing her as a tank.

You don't have to play her as a tank. Tank is weak compared to AP.

AP Eve was buffed in some different ways. Q's AP ratio was buffed to 55% from 45%, and E applys on hit effects now, what buffed E's AP ratio to 110% from 100% because of Arcane Blade. With Lich Bane and Nashors Tooth even a 190% AP ratio is now possible.

It is now possible to do 1500 damage with E. If that damage would all be magic, it would be maybe to strong. But other champions are broken too, so...

On the other hand, AP Evelynn doesn't even need penetration as much as other mages. CDR-Boots are fine because of Q-Spam, and flat AP is very good, because of her very high AP ratios.

Tank Eve is actually terribly weak compared to AP Eve right now. But why do people not notice it? Maybe because they just don't understand how good CDR-flat AP works for her. Even many AP Eve players think Ludens would be better than Rabadons for example. Changing E to magic damage would make her a bit stronger, but more important people would think now that AP Eve is strong, AP Eve would get very popular, and nerfed very hard afterwards. I like her current state as secret op. Invisible OPness is the best OPness.

Biff Manly6/9/2015, 3:49:28 AM4 votes

"Blah blah compensation buffs for the removal of DFG blah blah we understand game design, we promise blah blah clarity counterplay mastery"

Emperor Time6/9/2015, 9:52:25 AM3 votes

If your not tankish in this meta than you're gunna get fucked mid/late game.

A Miss Fortune6/9/2015, 2:38:05 AM3 votes

Evelynn is a pretty good AD Assassin, I've carried plenty of games with her and even if you're behind your ultimate is game changing. The thing is that a single pink ward can ruin your game.

Cerbearus6/9/2015, 10:41:52 AM3 votes

I kinda like it the way it is now because it procs on-hit effects twice. Devourer/BotRK/Wit's End is so much fun on her

I Main Swain6/9/2015, 3:44:52 PM3 votes

im all for a rework personally

DynamiteGazelle6/9/2015, 3:22:26 AM2 votes

Getting the old W passive back is more important in my opinion..

lolipopevelynn6/9/2015, 4:10:07 PM2 votes

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Deathfire was removed. E was nerfed because of Deathfire burst.

Either that or give her another damned rework because I'm tired of playing her as a tank.

agreed

The Ellimiist6/9/2015, 5:03:17 AM2 votes

She's still one of the best jg in the game so I don't really see the problem.

Lugg6/9/2015, 6:11:27 AM2 votes

Eve is pretty balanced right now. Plus she has options. You can build damage early to delete people and get your lanes ahead and then go tank late to survive. You can build her a few different ways as well.

AbstracT Theory6/9/2015, 1:49:51 PM1 votes

Its not the fact that eve is weak, its the problem that it is super hard to balance an assasin that has pressure on the entire map at once. you can barely ward against eve in 1 out of 2-4 paths to get into lane, so if she has alot of damage it will be a reapeat of season 4

FluxBound6/11/2015, 2:13:38 PM1 votes

But now we can play ad eve, it's "strategic diversity"

Weasel Kensei6/10/2015, 6:38:32 AM1 votes

I like her the way she is.

Please dont mess with her...

I build hybrid AP/AD and E not doing magic, and q doing magic damage helps me overwhelm defenses.

I like her the way she is.

KohaiLuv6/9/2015, 10:21:07 PM1 votes

I don't understand why people say AP evelynn is superior. I went 19/7 not even a game ago with AD Evelynn. Have warrior's enchantment, go into gauntlet, go into insert MR item here, Bork, Gunblade or any other tank item, then whichever boots are appropriate late game. Riot has made it very clear now that Eve can fill in roles where the team is lacking. You want a tank alright you got it, you want AD, mkays here ya go, want AP go for it. She is probably the most versatile jungler and you just want her to be a bland AP jungler? Let her have her creativity, she's had enough abuse over these past couple years.

Xengre6/9/2015, 8:02:08 AM1 votes

I had an AP Eve recently deal 2.2k burst in 1~1.5 seconds with 787 (might have been 878, don't remember which) AP and Luden's + Lich. After that experience I honestly can't think of a way to counter late game Eve with anything except Alistar/Kayle/Trynd and even that is a big iffy. A bit of Mres and HP isn't going to save you from that. DFG Eve seems like a complete joke after that match, and she wasn't even that fed (I was the one fed).

Samflash36/9/2015, 2:27:45 AM1 votes

I agree about Riot having another look at Evelynn. At the same time, I'm building Eve back as AP with the E changes.

I build Eve like a Bruiser Assassin

item 3117item 3708 item 3027 item 3110 item 3001 item 3151

Or like an assassin item 3117 item 3708 item 3070 item 3157 then pick in any order item 3116 item 3003 item 3135

Sell Mobility for item 3020 when you need to or upgrade it to item 3274 item 3259

It may not be the best build, but I've never run oom for long whilst being able to contribute majorly in fights.

misfortunas6/11/2015, 12:04:03 PM1 votes

soory but no, eve is perfect right now. she has insane damage, you just need to stop building her like a tank - she is not a tank and never will be. eve is an ASSASIN. Ad, ap, on hit whatever, its in your choice (thats the beauty of evelynn). Im gonna be blunt here, eve has the highest damage output in a single rotation, reqq with the nashors lich bane ludens build does damage with the ratio of 3.1-3.5.... count her autoattacks in with the nashors and 30 % of their current health and that is definetly a dead enemy. one small buff would break her out of control again. when the mandrake wards go live though, im expecting some ult buffs.