I'd like Azir 200% more if he'd shut up.

Dunderflump··95 votes·5,423 views

Walk to lane SHURIMA buy ward SHURIMA AFK .... Get a phone call It's Azir SHURIMA

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The Red Warden74 votes

But we need more champ dialog to tell the lore we won't write -Riot 2014

Cerbearus12 votes

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Maganar24 votes

Riot has decided that the more oooh and aaah they put into characters, the deeper the character is. Big-time no-no mistake made by elementary writers. I used to think exactly that way in early high school, then I took writing courses and read more books and, in particular, more of the true classics of literature. That's all it took to realize "cool" is not "deep." This is really not good when I of all people, a science major that is only a writing hobbyist, have to point out a mistake made by "elementary writers."

They made a guy who is super obsessed with his empire and goes crazy over it, a pretty cool concept. He also is utterly shallow about how he obsesses over it. He just rants about it and even though he more or less rose from the dead, he doesn't even bat an eyelash at that or have a single line of VO (that I've run across at least) that mentions his thoughts on being fricking resurrected because he seems so obsessed with SHURIMA FTW that he can't even stop to think for a second "Wait... did I just come back from the dead? Wtf?"

This is Riot's entire idea for their new "lore." It's catchy, it's cool, it's got Las Vegas lights on it to draw you in... and there's nothing there. Like Las Vegas though, they will still happily take your money. For example, I was blown away with the epicness of it when "A New Dawn" came out; then I watched the behind the scenes and was struggling not to die laughing when they were going on and on about how this was "story-telling" and they were "developing" the characters and giving us a "connection" to those characters. Woah, wait what? There was no story in that cinematic; it was a random brawl. There was no development; the characters were skilled fighers, some of which had a couple interesting quirks but nothing more to distinguish them. And lastly, there is no connection to them watching them fight; that's what we get from mentally roleplaying and feeling like a summoner that delves into the intricacies of their minds immersing ourselves in their very essence and - oh wait, never mind, we don't do that anymore. We don't even exist.

So, essentially, Antipath: expect a lot more of this. Their entire new approach to producing new content for the game for the last few months has been entirely consistent with this pattern and they finally came out with their big reveal announcement that they are re-approaching the way they make new content... and it was merely a confession that they will not go back to actually interesting creative work. At first I was apologetic as I criticized them, but their total unwillingness to address these concerns publicly other than to just say "Give it a chance; we think you'll like it in the end" (hell no) has been utterly dishearteningly and I'm not going to sugarcoat my appraisals of the quality of their work anymore. What you see written here is what I think. Summary? League is a game that is already full of really awesome, creative, and inspired content - just don't expect them to make any more. The new content they continue to make is going to be unimpressive. This is solely in terms of deep characters, though. The other teams (namely, not the "lore?" team) have been doing a great job lately. To use and example that I think most people can all agree on: reworked Sion looks like a fascinating re-envisioning of old Sion with great aesthetics (kudos to art department), fun gameplay (kudos to game design department), and a story limited to "I died but was too useful so I was turned into a bloodthirsty bio-weapon of a zombie that sort of find my old self again if I rip people apart" (a really cool concept that I suspect will end up getting another completely shallow delivery, kudos of the deficient "story" department).

The Red Warden6 votes

I am just sad that we are probably never going to get an interesting character again (like swain) it seems. From what I have seen of the new characters they are releasing, all of them only care about one thing and all of their emotions and dialog is focused on that one thing. Even if they could be developed more though, we all know that once Riot does something they won't go back to fix it for at least a year or two.

Tapu Fini9 votes

Oh don't you worry. They're dragging all their pre-established good lore down as they go. Swain will surely not be so interesting once they get around to rewriting his lore. If they leave him as an interesting character, new players might expect quality lore from the other champions. Can't have those comparisons.

/sigh

Maganar2 votes

Yep. I'm already fully prepared for the day they decide to utterly rip to shreds the lore for my favorite champion, and I'm also fully prepared to utterly and completely reject it, sticking to my head-canon which has already decided to reject their removal of the IoW, summoners, Shurima champion bios, etc. I'm brainstorming the possibility of creating a database for fans of the League lore as it was meant to be told (how it was being told up until recently even if only in things as short as character bios ever since JoJ ended, which was before I even began playing), pulling together the biographies of the champions as they were at the point in time when this retcon was announced (for all the pre-existing ones at that time) and with fan rewrites of the biographies for new characters released after this point in time. I'd also consider having fan-written League judgments for all the champions that were released after that was stopped (once again, before my time). It would be an exhaustive project, but it would be worth it and I'm trying to envision it in my mind in its entirety before I commit to anything.

I'll do it for you, darling: Morgana

EverTokki1 votes

Well said. I totally agree. For me, it's already gone. Ashe Bye, the great queen of Freljord.

theGreatZamboni6 votes

I am glad so many other people find his "character" to be so obnoxious and shallow. Not in the sense that he is supposed to be that way, but is now viewed as such due to the incompetence in his development. His obsession could be a vehicle for an interesting character, but his V/O does not reflect this. To the point, his obsession makes him not come across as arrogant, but ignorant. I can't get the image of Azir playing alone in a sandbox making sand soliders out of my head, against the back drop of Demacia and Noxus.

Shurima is a pile of rubble. It's trashed, he just came back to life. His constant talking about Shurima being so great and how they will rule does little to point out he has been given a second chance. You would think he would be a bit more insecure and maybe his frequent comments about how great Shurima was and will be, is a way for him to deflect and distance himself from his nagging feeling he is unworthy. He let his empire down, he was resurrected by happenstance. Not by the greatness of Shurima, not by anyone looking to do so. It just happened. He could try to play this off as "fate" to convince himself he is destined to do this, that Shurima was destined to rise again. When the reality is, his second chance is a direct result of the greed of his bloodline. Sivir was doing a job for money, Azir was a arrogant and selfish Emperor. This sudden resurrection should have him a bit more shaken, hiding behind his new found ascension, projecting but still determined.

None of this comes off in his V/O. Given the state of Shurima being a desolated and destroyed place, I again laugh at Azir and his convictions. I imagine Azir sitting alone in the middle of a decimated town square acting out his fantasy of Shurima being great with his sand soldiers. No one lives there. Sivir is a wanderer, Xerath is most likely wandering (since he is no longer bound by summoners), Nasus is lord knows where (since he is not at the Institute of War anymore, since it doesn't exist), Renekton is wandering as well (also no longer bound by summoners). So Azir wanders around opening doors, summoning a sand soldier, closing the door, knocking on the door, then asking if his soldier has a moment to talk about Shurima. He is not intimidating, he is not a rounded character. He is a walking caricature.

Now the first thing Riot would say to this is "Oh well we are building our characters in mind for the future! Eventually Shurima will be awesome again and the lines will makes sense, just wait, we promise it will happen!". Just like with the Frelijord, the pay off there they were hinting at was so cool! Or like with Ezeral discovering Aatrox and the awesome pay off to that, along with the Jax character splash easter egg! See where I am going? There is never a pay off, they keep fumbling around with ideas with no direction. I understand the want to separate and remove the idea of the summoner from the game, it can work, but not if this is the best you have to offer.

A well written character will have lines that reflect one's self, regardless of the external circumstances, like Shurima being in ruin or revitalized. In both cases if Azir's lines were written to reflect a false confidence with an undertone of sincerity, confusion and remorse, that would make him a more fleshed out character. As it stand his lines make him come across as a moron. He is overly obsessed to the point of parody, not to the benefit of his character.

As Riot aims to be a tad more serious, removing and outright denouncing things like old Sion, how can anyone who works there be ok with Azir? He is a walking billboard in the worst way. Not to reflect his vanity and arrogance, but because who ever wrote these lines is clueless. When Garen, Darius, or Ashe talk about their respective home lands, it does not come across as tired or disingenuous. They have actual motivations and reasons to be prideful. Azir is a reborn Emperor who is directly responsible through his own stupidity for the downfall of one of the greatest Empires, yet he doesn't realize it.

CupcakeTrap2 votes

He just rants about it and even though he more or less rose from the dead, he doesn't even bat an eyelash at that or have a single line of VO (that I've run across at least) that mentions his thoughts on being fricking resurrected because he seems so obsessed with SHURIMA FTW that he can't even stop to think for a second "Wait... did I just come back from the dead? Wtf?"

Argh. Now that song from the Buffy musical is playing through my head as I picture Azir dancing and twirling on the stage.

There was no pain No fear, no doubt 'til they pulled me out of Heaven So that's my refrain I live in Hell 'cause I've been expelled from Heaven I think I was in Heaven… So give me someth— SHURIMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LordZantheraus2 votes

But we need more champ dialog to tell the lore we won't write -Riot 2014

So much this it hurts... SHURIMA

ModCaptainMårvelous24 votes

"WOW RITO DOTA2 HAS TONS OF VOICE ACTING WHY CANT WE GET CHAMPS WITH 10 MINUTES OF VO WORK!?"

"ok sure here you go"

"WOW WTF RIOT AZIR TALKS TOO MUCH"

Make up your mind guys

BrickRocket28 votes

"WOW RITO DOTA2 HAS TONS OF VOICE ACTING WHY CANT WE GET CHAMPS WITH 10 MINUTES OF VO WORK!?"

"ok sure here you go"

"WOW WTF RIOT AZIR TALKS TOO MUCH"

Make up your mind guys

Having a lot of lines is great.

having a guy with a lot of lines repeat the word "shurima" over and over and over and over and OVER, is not.

HVN6 votes

In my opinion, having lots of lines was the biggest annoyance to me in dota. the heroes don't shut up, and it drives me insane. when i saw how many lines azir had in the patch notes, i thought to myself "plz no ;-;"

Rew7115 votes

unless they're funny, then its a maybe Veigar

ModCaptainMårvelous3 votes

I guess you haven't heard half the dota heroes then. Most are one-note jokes.

Hell, Skeleton King had to be 100% vocally reworked because bone jokes don't translate when you have to be a ghost. Yep.

LordHippoman3 votes

Skeleton King's bone puns were a treasure and their removal is the biggest nerf the character has ever recieved.

Even if he's way better now.

OblongOtter1 votes

Oh huh, I was getting into the game and I never watched a bunch of new player guides from an English person and he said S. King was good, but a lot of times new players will run oom and not come back. I never saw him in the list of heroes, but that makes sense.

OblongOtter1 votes

Nyx Assassin or whatever (the purple girl with the traps) whenever she says revelations there's something about the way she says it that really bothers me.

g07h4xf001 votes

"WOW RITO DOTA2 HAS TONS OF VOICE ACTING WHY CANT WE GET CHAMPS WITH 10 MINUTES OF VO WORK!?"

"ok sure here you go"

"WOW WTF RIOT AZIR TALKS TOO MUCH"

Make up your mind guys

There's a difference between the "joke" and "taunt" dialogues (which the player activates) and the automatic dialogue that champions say every time you right click or whatever.

Dunderflump2 votes

"WOW RITO DOTA2 HAS TONS OF VOICE ACTING WHY CANT WE GET CHAMPS WITH 10 MINUTES OF VO WORK!?"

"ok sure here you go"

"WOW WTF RIOT AZIR TALKS TOO MUCH"

Make up your mind guys

I'd rather have just a few lines than have my champion spout exposition every couple seconds. Azir doesn't even imply stuff; he just fucking blurts it. There's no mystery.

"Shurima will return. Shurima is awesome. I'm from Shurima. Shurima is a desert."

MistyKiss13 votes

SHURMA

I know azir....you rule it...

SHURIMA WILL RISE

Ugh. Im going afk.

-phone goes off-

100 new emails. Subject line: SHURIMA

...Archimedes?

LeeDark12 votes

This thread is racist. Bird guy says Shurima a few times, everybody gets all mad. Garen and Jarvan have been screaming DEMACIA!!! for years and nobody bats an eye.

Baitsa Dasuto4 votes

That's because those two are fucking nuts!

Once, my friends and I made a 5-man-Demacia team. The rules:

  1. Only people who mention Demacia in their voice lines. Garen, Jarvan and Lux were obligatory
  2. Every time you killed somebody, scored an assist or got killed by the enemy team you had to write "DEMACIA!" into the all-chat
  3. During the game, in the Teamspeak channel, the only word you were allowed to say was "Demacia", though you were allowed to use all the syllables of that word in any order and change your pronounciation to convey emotions (Dema, Dema, Demacia!), basically like a Pokemon.
Daddy Space Lion1 votes

Well said.

AutumnRainXD9 votes

Azir SHRIMA DISAPPROVE THIS

PhoenixSlayer138 votes

Well, he is emperor after all.

At least it's not as groan-inducing as Vlad's blood puns.

The Red Warden21 votes

Those puns are amazing Now accept our onion haired bloody savior All thoese puns are definitely A positive

PhoenixSlayer1317 votes

Sorry, they make my blood boil.

The Red Warden21 votes

Well at least your not a pessimist, they always seem to B negative

PhoenixSlayer139 votes

... god dammit

OblongOtter4 votes

I'm still waiting for a Phreak skin for Vlad.

Lil Lewd Witch1 votes

Well, he is emperor after all.

At least it's not as groan-inducing as Vlad's blood puns.

Would you say their blood-curdling?

Siachi6 votes

Dude likes his Shurima, what can ya do?

IRLRenekton6 votes

Azir "Everyone will know the name Shurima."

Toa of Death5 votes

Azir SHURIMA!!!!

Clouded Magi6 votes

Azir SHURIMA!!!!

Azir Did someone say SHURIMA??!?

Social Justice 14 votes

I'LL SHOW THEM WHAT YORLDES ARE WORTH

RISING YORDLE PHOENIX FIRE

SUPER GALAXY COMBAT BREAKER

dialMARK4acti0n3 votes

You CAN mute champion voices...

TenSlashTen3 votes

but the lore is so important guys you need to know about the SHURIMA EVENT that everyone hat-loved to play. :D

GodKong4203 votes

I honestly agree with Riot's move towards making the characters more "Alive" by giving them more "Voice". Even if they had overdone it with Azir a little bit, let's not attack the noble concept behind it. With that said, Azir talking too much is just in sync with his character: He's a freaking emperor! Doesn't the president of the united states talk too much? He sure does, but that's his freaking job! His words are supposed to inspire others. Nevertheless if you don't like his dialog just minimize Voice Volume in the Sound options. Pointless threads like this are what drives Riot members away from these forums.

Centuros2 votes

Have Garen hit him.

Orrrr, you could always mute voices.

leWomanRespecter2 votes

Turn the volume down. Problem solved.

straight4free2 votes

I totally agree. He is the only champion who I actually go into the options and mute voice for when I play him. Beyond annoying.

Shadower112 votes

Well, one thing is sure, his objective is now fullfilled, now everyone knows SHURIMA! And, IT WILL RETURN!

TioMono2 votes

Yo Dawg! I heard you love Shurima! So I put some Shurima in your Shurima!

buneter2 votes

I agree I like the "Shurima your emperor has returned" it sounds so cool the way he says "Shurima" but I think he only has two quotes that don't say Shurima and its annoying as all hell

Wildfire GoG2 votes

Write a disscussion about azir.... Get a comment, Its azir! SHURIMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

g07h4xf001 votes

I'd like Azir a lot more if he wasn't inferior to Orianna in literally every way.

Kira Onime1 votes
2000boxes1 votes

I laugh at this every time i read it

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