At least cut the ratio on Rivens Shield...

Raoul·Oct 17, 2015·40 votes·1,942 views

Seriously, 100% bonus ad scaling for an already 210 base shield with inbuild dash and only 6s CD...

This would even be broken on a balanced champion, on RIven it just makes her even more broken.

36 Comments

IonianOct 17, 201514 votes

Is it really that hard to avoid spending damage abilities for 1.5s?

RaoulOct 17, 20159 votes

If Riven couldnt also 100-0 you in that time...

IonianOct 17, 201510 votes

Shouldn't really be in melee range of Riven as Teemo .

BigBlackBookOct 17, 20154 votes

You do know what a dash is, right buddy?

RenthaeusOct 17, 20154 votes

And then that annoying short dash from her Q? Then you can't escape because of her W that stuns you for a short time but is literally 50 years for that Riven to figure out how to kill you while embarrassing you? Yea. Ranged or melee against a riven is pointless. If she gets ahead, its gg.

RaoulOct 17, 20154 votes

And by melee range you mean anywhere closer than 900 range of her? (first Q, shield dash, second Q will hit you)

Prospector PeteOct 17, 20152 votes

Yes, and most of the time she'll use it after you use a damaging ability.

IonianOct 17, 20159 votes

Screw the Riven player for being smart, right?

My Waifu VanillaOct 18, 20152 votes

Obviously she takes no skill and can just roll face on keyboard and win EVERY match up by playing with your feet because she is SOOOOO OP and easy to play and requires no thought process. Man I even looked her up on bullsh*t.gg and she has a 100% win rate in all queues for first time players because she is so broken.

Seriously though I don't think anyone on these boards that complain about Riven have even played her once and that she really is not as easy and faceroll as people make her out to be.

Topless IreliaOct 17, 20154 votes

I agree Riven should be punished for playing well

AbrahamBaconhamOct 17, 201514 votes

And once again, the most reasonable comment in an entire thread is downvoted into oblivion.

idokiOct 17, 20151 votes

You smell that? Smells like plebs' spirit

OOOOHHHHBABYOct 17, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=If Ahri Was Real,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dtOPNMsM,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-10-17T12:43:35.027+0000)

Is it really that hard to avoid spending damage abilities for 1.5s?

So what ur saying is.. because basically Riven is immune to being slowed: her using a shield = me having to stop and essentially allow her to hit me for 1.5 sec which means(or suffer the cool downs if i dont(which than also means technically her shield has a 4.5sec CD in reality))... so she has 2 stuns, an AD steroid ult that also bursts and is also ranged and a shield that has a 4.5 sec CD that has a 1.0 scaling off her AD(who is an AD champion) who also uses no mana or energy.....at least shes not Darius

Guy Fox TeemoOct 17, 20156 votes

It lasts 1.5 Seconds. Learn to play around it , it's literally her only defense besides a small stun. She's squishy as hell without it, she'd be complete shit from which she's already pretty bad now.

JustMyBassCannonOct 17, 20155 votes

210 is low for a shield's base value.

I've said it before, I'll say it again, and I'll probably need to keep saying it until people listen. Riven's kit is scaled in a way that does not allow her to buy much in health or resistances. Her optimal build is extremely squishy, even when you account for her shield, because there are very few solid defense items based on AD, and the ones that do exist are counter-build items.

ProfDrDeathOct 18, 20153 votes

item 3078 item 3748 item 3071 item 3053 item 3022 : These 5 are the finished AD+HP items on SR.

Of those five, Riven can use maybe 2, and even those have their distinct downsides.

item 3053 and item 3078 are suboptimal for her, due to her low base AD (she was specifically made to not be a Sheen-based top laner). Additionally, Triforce gives few stats Riven really wants (Riven really wants AD, CdR, ArPen).

item 3748 scales better with you building more HP. Riven does not want to build more HP.

item 3022 is a possibility. However, it is expensive, has a horrendous build path and does not give terribly much AD, either.

item 3071 is a cool **completed **item for Riven, and gives her a lot of what she needs in a nice package. However, the build path is not optimal for Riven, as she does not particularily care for Phage's effects.

JustMyBassCannonOct 18, 20151 votes

And then you have Maw of Malmortius and Mercurial Scimitar, which aren't bad, but they're counter-build items for heavy magic damage/debuff/CC teams that would otherwise make it literally impossible to play Riven.

And health is only as effective as your resistances. Riven has average base Armor, scaling MR, average HP, and then she has limited options only for HP and MR, not Armor.

RaoulOct 19, 20151 votes

Ever thought that a champion with extreme mobility and damage, low cooldown and NO RESSOURCES maybe SHOULD BE SUQUISHY?

JustMyBassCannonOct 19, 20152 votes

Her shield adds maybe 400 HP to the equation for a second. Unless you're a DPS champion, she's not going to get it more than once in a fight, and if you are a DPS champion, you need to dodge her CC so you're dealing damage quickly enough that she doesn't get more than two shields in a fight.

Riven is squishy. She has mobility, damage, average CC and a single, pathetic shield to cover for the fact that she cannot handle any damage you give her.

High5Oct 17, 20154 votes

Riven will snowball if you don't buy armor. This hasn't changed in a long time. There are only 30 easy counters to Riven.

Fiora is another snowball champ who can easily be counter picked. The match today is not an indicator of either champ needing changes.

Prospector PeteOct 17, 20152 votes

Bonus idea? Well, they sure didn't have many balanced ideas when they made Riven.

RaoulOct 17, 20153 votes

[{quoted}](name=Prospector Pete,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dtOPNMsM,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-10-17T12:39:43.309+0000)

Bonus idea? Well, they sure didn't have many balanced ideas when they made Riven.

Dont ask me, autocorrection is strange some times...

OrangesilkOct 17, 20152 votes

Well, Riven discussions usually ended like:

"So, Riven has two different instances of hard CC, multiple dashes while being resourceless and having access to both sustained damage and burst, BUT she's snowball reliant and that's why she's never picked in competitive".

Welp, Huni, who definitely wasn't snowballing that 2nd game, sporting something like a 1/2/6 score, dove the enemy team with Rivens ENORMOUS shield, landed a 4-man stun and then handily won FNC that game. So, yeah, stop the bullshit, now we see, now we know, Riven provides astounding amounts of damage, but she's still plenty useful when behind, to the point that she's a ridiculously strong pro pick.

KnighRriderOct 17, 20154 votes

{quoted}

Well, Riven discussions usually ended like:

"So, Riven has two different instances of hard CC, multiple dashes while being resourceless and having access to both sustained damage and burst, BUT she's snowball reliant and that's why she's never picked in competitive".

Welp, Huni, who definitely wasn't snowballing that 2nd game, sporting something like a 1/2/6 score, dove the enemy team with Rivens ENORMOUS shield, landed a 4-man stun and then handily won FNC that game. So, yeah, stop the bullshit, now we see, now we know, Riven provides astounding amounts of damage, but she's still plenty useful when behind, to the point that she's a ridiculously strong pro pick.

UH OH! discussion over! some guy in the perfect situation made a pro play with Riven, shes officially broken xD Dude wtf u realize that a well placed TF red card can win a teamfight too right? I saw that clip of Riven, you notice how 4 players gathered on the same sq ft of Rift? xD there are a lot of champions who can take advantage of that. Look buddy, I've played a lot of Riven and I can tell you in a team fight, unless shes able to get inside the enemy team and do tons of dmg immediately(which is hard.. REALLY HARD), then she doesn't stay alive long, especially in a prolonged teamfight that involves poking xD. YES the shield is strong, but its short, and "hard cc!?" are u serious!? the knock up is good if u place it well, but the stun is literally less than a second. I swear its only in low elo that I hear ppl actually complaining about her.

KnighRriderOct 17, 20152 votes

She has the shield because shes squishy and has extremely poor sustain. She does lots of dmg but compared to most other top lane bruisers shes not too healthy. As for the dash... are u serious? its like 2 teemo's long, probably he shortest in the game.

LankPantsOct 17, 20151 votes

Been bought up many times before, but she should only get the shield when dashing towards or through an enemy.

Spizzle9000Oct 17, 20151 votes

Given Riven's kit as a whole, it would make sense to at least make her q's cooldown start after the second or third q, OR lower her e's range, OR change the scaling on her e to AP. Like, only needing to build AD for the scalings on your abilities combined with her kit is just ridiculous. At least Zed falls off late game and doesn't have basically infinite damage, nor does he have CC or a shield.

OOOOHHHHBABYOct 17, 20151 votes

Imagine if Leesins did that

Blue Moon WolfOct 17, 20151 votes

yet Riot is hating on every other shield in the game. Not saying weather all thoes shields needed a nerf or not (though the tower shields are practically pointless now), but it's not like they can't tone down the shield so she can't dive every few seconds while taking no turret damage. Not every champ has CC to combat her stun, dash combo.

Dunkrius2gOct 18, 20151 votes

Then i believe you need to ban her.

kJsOct 18, 20151 votes

If the base shield was much higher and the AD Scaling was slightly lower (like 70%) I think Riven wouldn't be so crappy to play with or against. You won't need to worry about survivability even if your behind (with low damage on Q, W and R) due to the high base shield but it will still scale really well when you have your raw AD items. It would fix her

JustMyBassCannonOct 18, 20152 votes

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If the base shield was much higher and the AD Scaling was slightly lower (like 70%) I think Riven wouldn't be so crappy to play with or against.

That is the exact opposite of what people want. Higher base and lower scaling just means that her early-game shield is even more oppressive, meaning she snowballs easier, meaning she doesn't have to care that her shield is weaker late-game when she's three levels and a full item ahead of you.

Little Stick ManOct 18, 20151 votes

but the riven mains will burn riot to the ground

Uva9x6gDhCOct 18, 20151 votes

You mean gut

rtbf48419282Oct 18, 20151 votes

Riven doesn't require a skill to play. All you do is, w when you're about to get attacked(as engagement or retreat), auto, stun, auto, q combo(with autos), and ult. That's pretty much the whole aspect of her kit. Only downside of Riven is that she "can" fall off if she fails to snowball. Riven with about 300 bonus ad means she can shield herself with 500-600 frigging health, with a free dash. This skill lies around the same cd as Skarner or Sion's shield, and has the same shield strength as much as theirs with the health stacked in full.

Riven is op, period. Look at her pickrate. Look at her winrate in high elos (her winrate in low elo isn't even bad as well. It's actaully around 50 percent-balanced state- in low elos).

Don't talk about how some people don't pick champs that they call "op." Some people are attracted to certain champions more than others. This is an individual aspect that takes the lore, playstyle, gender, etc into consideration.

Spizzle9000Oct 19, 20151 votes

Ah so I see the Riven mains have come to downvote logic.