Changes to ryze, nerfing top lane ryze, but trying to make mid lane ryze better

Banned acount·Jan 22, 2015·1 votes·657 views

I know my opinion may not matter since i am not a pro or even gold material, but even i can see that the changes to ryze may ne nerfing his top lane; but they are hitting his mid lane just as much. with the new changes to Ryze on pbe it lowers base damage of q so he cant just harrass to win early and hyper carry late game with little to know ways to stop him. Would it be to hard to find a way to buff his mid lane while lowering his top lane potential? I was thinking increasing range of q Base damage early game (slightly more so then on pbe) and lowering its cdr given in early levels. make his w or e a skill shot at range of 725-800, or even keep his w/e the same but making his e not only do mr shred but give him mr when the bounce hits him, such as he gets halve the effect in mr if it hits him making trades in mid more capable along with not buffing him against to many top laners except maybe heavy magic damage top laners. Any ideas? or should i just find someone else i enjoy in mid lane?

8 Comments

RenailleJan 22, 20151 votes

"Ryze does 20% more damage and gets 100 bonus range on all abilities and auto attacks while in the middle lane"

JamareeJan 22, 20151 votes

What you suggest would just buff his top lane status again. Even longer range on his Q and make him all that more difficult to fight back against.

Leti the YetiJan 22, 20151 votes

Top lane this is why we can't have nice things

BeatzBoyFTWJan 22, 20151 votes

Any buff done to Ryze will always be a buff to top lane, so no.

And actually, mid lane champions Malzahar Syndra Zed is usually squishier than top lane Trundle JarvanIV Darius who has more sustains, so I think the previous nerf had set him right to be forced into going mid lane instead of top lane, to use up what's little amount left of his Q on squishy mid laners instead.

Banned acountJan 22, 20151 votes

precisely thats why i said to lower the damage of q a little more early, maybe have its ap/ mana scaling increase per rank? and increase its range maybe 25-30 to make him a bit easier in mid? i understand that any buff to him buffs top lane but any nerf will also nerf mid lane, is their any idea on how to find a healthy balance of either range/balance or maybe make it a skill shot? minions group differently in top lane then mid making skill shots harder maybe that would help?

BeatzBoyFTWJan 22, 20151 votes

and increase its range maybe 25-30 to make him a bit easier in mid?

Now imagine that in top lane. How am I suppose to cs with that Ryze poking & wittling down my HP just to prevent me from cs-ing? What's worse, can't even fking reach him for either a pull or dash due to that boosted Q range. Try to reach him? Nope, he'll just kites in with E mr reduction, accompanied with a mega-snare & boosted Q power. Just no. The current Ryze now should be fine as a mid laner, but now definitely not as top laner. Let's keep it this way.

Banned acountJan 22, 20151 votes

yeah imagin it in top lane with 25 more range putting it at 650, but lowering its damage to a base of 30 and lowering the early ratios of it. at level one it would be doing 70 damage not counting magic resist? with base mr and runes it would be practically an aa

BeatzBoyFTWJan 22, 20151 votes

And the fact he can do it all the time with patience as time goes by, and would be even more worse when he grabs a item 3070 , even including that reduced cdr you added in your thread.