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So what do I do against pyke + cait as tahm kench support?

Tahminatrix ·9/13/2019, 8:14:34 AM·1 votes·2,222 views

I just played an extremely frustrating game against pyke cait as tahm support with a jinx adc, not sure what I should have done but here is my explanation to the problem that I`m trying to overcome and adapt to..

Basically tahm is an immobile melee with a wide hitbox so usually just dodging pyke q isnt an option, most of the time im forced to just trade qs with him...(and his stun if he decides to combo) but then im at the mercy of both adcs....against cait the problem is even worse provided that she is willing to immediately place her traps and nuke me for much of my health...

And I dont really have much to bring to the table except my devour....if I slow either of them with my skillshot they just use their net / dash to get away.....if I try to eat my adc and save them then cait just places her trap under me and nukes me because of my self slow...I even saved my adc from pyke`s hook only for them to immediately jump out into his stun...

So what should I be doing?

This is in plat elo so really little room for error on my end and I need to be ready for a similar situation.

25 Comments

Gamma Sector9/13/2019, 8:17:12 AM4 votes

What you should be doing is playing a different support, Tahm fucking sucks now

Thingamajig9/13/2019, 8:20:26 AM2 votes

well you can't but you should try

xD

i suppose telling a 1 trick to not play their 1 trick is out of the question

if my carry says some shit like that they will have a grand time 1v2ing for the rest of the game

Thingamajig9/13/2019, 8:16:00 AM2 votes

your carry should be tanking the hooks otherwise not much wait for ganks and bum rush cait when pyke tries to engage

Profirix9/13/2019, 10:27:49 AM1 votes

Honest answer: Don't play him. Riot has no idea how to make him better so they keep gutting every aspect of his kit. Next patch is his E sustain "75% at all levels -> 30-100% levels 1-18."

The champ is gone.

Smashed Hash9/13/2019, 12:11:44 PM1 votes

https://youtu.be/vCadcBR95oU

Nik Nikerson9/13/2019, 1:38:36 PM1 votes

Don't pick Tahm into a shitty matchup?

DarkDeamonDragon9/13/2019, 2:23:12 PM1 votes

As much as I love the Kench, he's not in a good spot right now. He's not the one to bring into a Pyke/Cait lane. If you were counterpicked, stack health and armor (leaning more towards health because lethality on Pyke). Try to avoid getting hooked by staying behind your minions. Pyke's Q-E combo into a Cait trap is going to be painful. Ask jungle for ganks (which probably will not go great unless you can catch out Cait) or to even show up on your side of the map and hopefully they'll back off a bit knowing your jungler is in the area. Poke with your Q when Pyke's Q is down, or use your devour on minions to poke. At this point, using devour on your ADC in this matchup is more of a guaranteed way to get the both of you killed unless you are pretty much right under tower.

If you make the lane boring enough the Pyke will probably leave Cait alone in lane to roam. If you ever see him missing from lane make sure to ping it even if you think he just recalled. Ward as much as you can in the river to spot a roam to mid, though I have seen Pykes roam straight to top after recalling. His W makes him really fast so he can get around to other parts of the map in no time (especially if he goes mobi boots early). Do your best to lock down Cait, but she'll probably stay out of your range. Roam yourself if you can/feel good enough about your lane partner staying safe while you're gone.

Try to get out of lane phase without feeding them, there's not much else you can do. Get really tanky so their burst won't instakill you. Good luck!

xelaker9/13/2019, 2:56:33 PM1 votes

tahm is just a poor supp right now man. You aren't gonna find much purchase against a top tier supp and a huge bully adc with massive range.

Pika Fox9/13/2019, 3:21:49 PM1 votes

Keep yourself healthy, and when pyke attempts to execute your adc eat them.

When cait attempts to ult your adc or they step on a trap, eat them.

Harass cait as best you can safely with q.

Daddy Ants9/13/2019, 4:33:58 PM1 votes

You bend over and take whatever they give you like a man.

Caitlyn's oppressive as hell to lane against, Pyke's also giga oppressive.

Posui Gart9/13/2019, 8:55:51 AM1 votes

Cover your adc from Pyke Qs In 2x2, instead of eating Jinx, try to eat Pyke after he Q-Es you. If he runs away-its 1x2, just focus Cait. If he doesn't-eat him and throw him on Jinx trap, he will probably die If enemies passively farm, do the same, don't try to engage them first Your jungler probably won't help against such comp, but if you are somewhat winning and pushing them, be careful about enemy ganks. If Pyke is 6+, activate your shield earlier than at 10-15% hp left. Watch your and your adc hp in a teamfight. If you think "in a second, Jinx hp will be too low and Pyke will ult her", be ready to eat her.

Nothing else really comes to mind. Pyke is weak against tanks with hard CC, but Tahm's CC is somewhat delayed, so its quite hard matchup for Tahm

ContDeCaterinca19/13/2019, 9:51:28 AM1 votes

Playing the worst support in the game against probably the best. Frustration ought to happen. Coming from a M7 former Kench player.

The only champions I would play Tahm into right now are Nautilus and Leona.

Gutted damage, gutted CC and utility, they are about to gut his E next patch.