can we have another item that grants 15% cdr?

plenty of champs want Lucidity boots. Top lane AD casters that use their spells a lot (I.E. Riven and GP) like the CDR, and they don't typically build tanky until later in the game.

But it's one of those items that applies for all. Regardless of your class, lucidity is a viable choice. If they move it to AP, AD and tanky champs would want an equivalent.

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Nashor's and Iceborn aren't inherently AP Carry items, though. Nashor's is a niche item that synergizes well only with Teemo, Kayle and Azir (may be others but I can't remember atm). Iceborn is more of a bruiser item or something that Ez likes to build sometimes. Twin Shadows is underrated as an item, that's for sure, but you have to give up something else for it (Void, Zhonya's, Luden's, etc)

They are specific and situational carry items.

can be core on : , , , , but viable on other champs as well.

The same applies for and . So the comparison is void in the aspect of comparing ap vs ad carry items that give cdr.

I think the problem alot of people fall into when playing ap champs fall into is the too many choices dilemma. Because ap itemization is so strong right now, they think they cant afford to sacrifice one of the meta items for something that offers cdr. The reality is that you can't have everything, you have to make decisions about what your build needs based on the situation. Ad champs have to make the same decisions, but have many less choices than ap champs.

For example a full mage build can look something like this:

But there's so much more you can do. If you need more cc to chain spells: , tankiness: , scaling mana and ap : , magic pen and dot: , enemy has too much heath or just too tanky: , enemy vayne or rengar killing your team: , need turret pushing power with a reliable slow: , need spell vamp for extended fights: or , have a lot of magic damage on your team or the enemy team: , etc. Basically, you got plenty of choices but you can't have all of them, so choose which. Same applies to a new cdr item, even if it gives ap, it would still have to take the spot of one of these "core" meta items.