Bot lane diversity

Rewt··1 votes·475 views

Riot wants to Introduce Mages into the bot lane carry role and at some point they want to introduce fighters into the carry role of bot lane.

They say they don't want to push marksmen out of the role but honestly.... I can't see how they could possibly do this without pushing out marksmen.

Think about it this way. Marksmen are late game hyper carries who as long as they are peeled for can essentially 1v5. The problem is that they are super vulnerable (except when janna is in the game..... but riot is releasing a shield busting item so it wont be that way forever) So if we nerf their damage output they just become sacks of gold for assassins and tanks. As a tank main I can say already im not all that scared of ADCs. I just hop on them and kill them 90% of the time. and thats in their current damage state. Imagine if we reduced that. Tanks could face roll adcs even harder.

So what im saying is that Bot lane is a touchy subject. to Introduce Fighters and Mages to the bot lane they would need distinct changes to the way the role operates. And they said they dont want to push Marksmen out of the role. This leads to the question. How.

Right now there is a reason you dont play things that arent ADCs in the bot carry role. Cause you get rolled. You get poked out and lose. Mages are great in mid lane; but in bot lane where you can get locked down by a support, the ADC's consistent damage will beat out your burst unless you 1 shot them.

What are the changes that could be made.

You could buff mages....... but then they would just be even better in mid. and thats not what riot is trying to do. so thats not the way.

You could nerf ADC damage output...... but then we will probably see a hard push meta where games end even faster because why run an ADC if they take even longer to become truly relevant. so yea... fuck that.

Then there is the option that makes the most sense.... but it still has some hefty drawbacks. You can nerf supports and their itemization. Now this seems great in theory, but practically....... nah its a shit idea. Lets look at it this way. we have traditional supports like Nami Thresh Janna and yea. nerfing them would definately make ADCs more vulnerable to the playstyle of mages. So this seems like a great idea. But lets look at this a little deeper. when supports start to be shit we see the rise of "lemme quick just 1 shot this ADC" supports Featuring Velkoz Veigar Zyra Lux Brand . So we could say. shit... gotta nerf them too. But here in lies the problem. only 2 of those champs actually are primarily played in support. Brand & Zyra . So if we nerf all of them then RIP Those actual mid laners. but if you dont nerf them..... RIP ADCs.

This is why its a slippery slope and in the end im ok with bot lane just staying Marksmanville. Population 20.

12 Comments

Environmentalist1 votes

Traditional supports are the only supports. Make bot lane great again.

MagicFlyingLlama1 votes

We have already seen mages sporadically appearing in bot lane. I dont think riot wants to make them all bot-viable, just some of them as possible counterpicks or for odd comps.

No mage except perhaps Brand can compete with an ADC late-game for damage output, so they would be part of seige or early-game comps the way Ziggs bot is.

nelogis1 votes

Azir Cassiopeia Karthus Mordekaiser Swain Syndra Veigar Xerath Vladimir

I think these guys could compete with ADC damage (Maybe not ONLY damage but a lot have stuns and stuff it their kit too)

MagicFlyingLlama1 votes

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Azir Cassiopeia Karthus Mordekaiser Swain Syndra Veigar Xerath Vladimir

I think these guys could compete with ADC damage (Maybe not ONLY damage but a lot have stuns and stuff it their kit too)

Some could, but karthus is highly range limited,and swain/vlad have high sustained damage, but really very low dps compared to someone like Anivia AurelionSol Brand Zyra

nelogis1 votes

You just need an item that allows to gain more xp in duo lanes (which isnt abusable by ADCs, maybe 2 items, the one gives additional AP and the other is melee only)

And another item or rune that nullifies poke as much as possible

Then an Item or rune that gives you so much mana that you basically can spam abilities to keep up with ADC contant resourceless dmg output... also this shouldn't be usable mid

And tadaaaaa! You just got mages and bruisers bot

You don't have to nerf marksmen or supports to make other classes viable. Just add stuff so other classes can compete against ADCs bot.

By the way pls don't tell me they are adding a shield busting item... pls don't... this would be so retarted and would powercreep the game even harder.

Rewt1 votes

The shield buster is confirmed.

The problem with just giving the enemy bot more XP being melee only is that bot lane is just gonna become assassin cheese

nelogis2 votes

When does Riot understand that a counter to a counter is retarted? Look at bramble vest and Fiora! It's fucking retarted

I bet they are going to add a Tank item that says :Reduce true damage dealt to you by 50%: Because Conqueror will become too strong. So Conqueror is useless again after that item but then there will be a Bruiser item that increases true damage by 100% and so on and so on blablabla....

Seriously this concept isn't that hard to grasp. Shields are too strong? THEN NERF SHIELDS!

So assassins shouldn't be ADCs because? You could just add HP/AD to the item and make it more appealing to Bruisers instead of just flat AD.

Rewt1 votes

I dont want assassin fiestas in bot lane. Lets put it this way. Right now that guy who wants to play assassins plays mid. So we only have to worry about one lane feeding their ass off. But if you add bot lane. Im gonna hang myself.

I have to clean up this shit once it goes to hell. Im a jungle main.

Thats part of the reason i want to the standard botlane to stay as it is.

nelogis1 votes

It Isn't assassins fault that they are weak right now

I get that feeding lanes are frustrating as a Jungler but... that shouldn't matter when looking into the grand sheme of things

If the only reason why assassins shouldn't go bot is because you fear that they will feed then that's not a reason at all.

If they feed all the time then Riot has failed to implement them bot ergo they still can't funtction there, so nothing has changed.

Rewt1 votes

Its not even that assassins are weak. Cause in Gold and below they are quite good. Its just assassins attract shitty players.

vgamedude1 votes

Plenty of adcs have self peel and mobility as stupid as that is so it's not like you have to have a janna for them to be ridiculous late game.

Marksmen should get a hit. If any other role saw one static class being the only thing played for years in it they would be nerfed in a heart beat before those years even had a chance to go by. At this point you can't even accurately compare adc power to anything else since you have one in every single game serving the same role, the role strength is just ridiculous and winrates and the like mean nothing sans to compare them to other ADC.

Having diverse champions bot would allow more comparisons, more gameplay choice, more variety etc. a hell of alot better than the stale forced bot lane is all that matters carry we have now.

And no, supports aren't the problem as to why adcs are ridiculously oppressive, I'm getting tired of seeing that honestly.

Rewt1 votes

Im a jungle main and i can probably count the number of times that an ADC has actually outplayed me 1v1 before 25min on 2 hands and ive been playing since S2.

The only time the ADC actually survives early-mid is when the support is there to save them.

Late game..... yea they are nuts, but thats the trade-off. they are pretty shit early game. The only reason they seem good is because the assassins havent gotten duskblade and the support janna/alistar just keep them alive.

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