Elder Dragon Execute proccing off DOT's (and itsself) Is like....... Why.

Rewt·Nov 21, 2019·40 votes·14,032 views

Burning from champion dots is pretty annoying, but like dying from the execute because you are burning from the elder buff itsself is like...... why?

44 Comments

Tuition FeeNov 21, 201926 votes

Players: Pls Rito dmg too high Rito: Ok we hear u we lisen to plaers

Also Rito: Adds execute on drakes Cloud drakes now grant ult CD cause we miss URF ASSASSIN ITEMS EVERYWHERE Removes coin and adds AP and AD to support items for some aggressive ass laning phases down bot -4 AD on Garen spin tho just to show we care

WolfeurNov 21, 20195 votes

Removed true damage from Conqueror
Removed extra damage from Spellthief
Removed mana regen from Spellthief
Nerfed Infernal Drake's buff
Removed increased Drake buff from Elder
Changed Mountain buff from damage to resistance
Removed mana regen from Ocean
Ocean regen can proc in combat
Second Elder isn't more powerful anymore
Herald deals way less damage
Plating resistance increased
Doran's Shield regen increased
Edge of Night AD/Lethality nerfed, HP buffed
Serrated Dirk loses damaging passive
Spear of Shojin removed

Tell me again about damage creep?

Abibyama IINov 21, 20192 votes

They buffed ADC items, see that's more damage >:(

WTBeGirl100EUhrNov 21, 20193 votes

No, they didn't.

voidscalerNov 21, 20193 votes

they absolutly 100% did shiv items stack now instead of just the highest, thats more damage on anyone who went shiv+rapid crit is cheeper at 800g for 25% meanign 100% crit is cheeper menaing more damage stormrazor now gives crit+ad menaing 3 crit+ad items meaning 75% crit chacne with 300+ad on 3 items, thats more damage

litraly the ONLY thing that got removed to compensate for all these buffs is the rapidfire no longer speeds up energized procs and shiv lightning no longer crits thats it for all those BIG damage and quality of life buffs, you got 2 tiny nerfs

ThefrostyvikingNov 21, 20196 votes

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Removed true damage from Conqueror

Removed extra damage from Spellthief

Removed mana regen from Spellthief

Nerfed Infernal Drake's buff

Removed increased Drake buff from Elder

Changed Mountain buff from damage to resistance

Removed mana regen from Ocean

Ocean regen can proc in combat

Second Elder isn't more powerful anymore

Herald deals way less damage

Plating resistance increased

Doran's Shield regen increased

Edge of Night AD/Lethality nerfed, HP buffed

Serrated Dirk loses damaging passive

Spear of Shojin removed

Tell me again about damage creep?

item 3181 is insane.

Elder dragon execute is sky high and it´s even bugged to shit, have been multiple reports of activation on hit regardless of target´s remaining health.

And lets not forget that the burn is not just a little either, or that the execute is nearly instant.

Energized items lost some damage individually but now stack, attackspeed was lost but as a result burst is higher while DPS is lower on the crit side.

Overall they were going in the right direction but sanguine blade and that elder dragon are both basically carrying the trend of season 9 onwards on their own and the worst part?

Riot were repeatedly warned about both, both by the people playing on the PBE and the people just just read about it,this is AP Galio from ....was it season 7? All over again, or the bloody Malzahar rework.

Starcraft243verNov 26, 20191 votes

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is insane.

Elder dragon execute is sky high and it´s even bugged to shit, have been multiple reports of activation on hit regardless of target´s remaining health.

And lets not forget that the burn is not just a little either, or that the execute is nearly instant.

Energized items lost some damage individually but now stack, attackspeed was lost but as a result burst is higher while DPS is lower on the crit side.

Overall they were going in the right direction but sanguine blade and that elder dragon are both basically carrying the trend of season 9 onwards on their own and the worst part?

Riot were repeatedly warned about both, both by the people playing on the PBE and the people just just read about it,this is AP Galio from ....was it season 7? All over again, or the bloody Malzahar rework.

So, 1 item vs all these changes ? And an elder drake we see once every 10 games in already won games ?

ThefrostyvikingNov 26, 20191 votes

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So, 1 item vs all these changes ? And an elder drake we see once every 10 games in already won games ?

Far from it.

The amount of lethality was raised with items like item 3181 being added, the damage will rise on the AD side as a natural consequence, glass cannons will be vaporized if hit even faster.

And what Elder Dragon is seen every 10 games? I see it basically every game, since everyone and their dogs scramble to get to 4 dragons for the souls buffs ASAP.

Like this the only time i dont see the elder is when the games end by a landslide before then or if the Dragon fights end up dragging on because both sides are even and neither are able to really make a move for it.

The reduction to support gold income results in it being even easier to snowball down there since they are weaker, more snowballing equals more damage done.

Energized crit item stacking is now a thing so crit users can pack up even more burst than before as long as they go all in on it.

Now to be fair i think a lot was done right, Conqueror losing true damage, infernal losing damage boost % and mountain giving resistances + defensive dragon souls that work being implemented.

Heck even aftershock lost damage, overall this was all good work!

But crap was added at the same time and overlooking that will come to bite us in the back later, i´ve already seen some full lethality wukongs&jarvans walk in and 2 shot enemy carries before they could even move more than 2 steps.

70 lethality indeed.

Then there´s the wind dragons, and the infernal dragon soul that add not just a little damage, 3 wind dragons = 30% ult CDR and that infernal dragon soul is like a quick charging luden for everyone.

In the end it feels like we end up with a plus-minus zero situation, we got some but we also lost some so have we actually gotten anywhere? I cant honestly say that we have, not for now at least.

And all this while ignoring that mess which is the Ender dragon....

Starcraft243verNov 26, 20191 votes

Sure, but at least the ocean and mountain drake souls have a nice durability buff. Also the fire drakes have been heavily nerfed.

30% ult cdr, except for some champions like kassadin, do not up the burst damages of the champion, it just allows them to ult more often.

I do not think it's a problem that a full glass canon champion can os another full glass canon champion, it SHOULD be the case. I think if they just remove the elder execute we will be back in a very good state in terms of damages

We can already see that tanks are coming back to toplane and have good winrates, the meta will slowly shift.

ThefrostyvikingNov 26, 20191 votes

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Sure, but at least the ocean and mountain drake souls have a nice durability buff. Also the fire drakes have been heavily nerfed.

Yes they are good, but Infernal soul and wind dragons themselves are in essence adding in more damage instead.

30% ult cdr, except for some champions like kassadin, do not up the burst damages of the champion, it just allows them to ult more often.

.....More ults = More damage.

In Kassadins case it just means he can stack his ult and deal damage faster provided he has the mana to keep going.

I do not think it's a problem that a full glass canon champion can os another full glass canon champion, it SHOULD be the case. I think if they just remove the elder execute we will be back in a very good state in terms of damages

Yes but do you really wana deal with say ... a Karthus rolling ultimate hunter, 3 wind dragons and his usual AP build?

40% CDR from his items, 30% from the dragons and another 25% from UH.

160 x 0,6 = 96. 96 x 0,7 = 67. 67 x 0,75 = 50%

Now Karthus is dropping that ult of his every 50 seconds,......sure he´s an extreme example but on the other hand he is far from the only one who has a lot of power gated behind his ult.

We can already see that tanks are coming back to toplane and have good winrates, the meta will slowly shift.

A positive effect caused by the conqueror change, but wont tanks become too OP in any game when they can get wind dragons too?

Imagine say a Ornn ulting every 40 seconds or something, how will you outplay something like this? Or the enemy Ashe making picks every 30.

Ultimate CDR is a dangerous stat and i dont think adding it in like this will end well :(

AronCartmanNov 21, 201925 votes

But but but my pc cafe timer, I need to autowin if you try to drag out a comeback

PB4UAMENov 21, 201913 votes

The real reason for this bull-fucking-shit.

KnightLakegaNov 21, 201919 votes

The new buffs are just insanely snowbally.. I hate it.. Assassin meta ontop of the drakes ontop of the elder dragon, ontop of baron, like wtf....

Oh right, and tank supports nerfed into the ground with their starting items...

but wait there's more!

nah I can't be bothered to write it all out.. Seriously though... wtf is riot doing..

WolfeurNov 21, 20192 votes

The Elder buff isn't the cause of snowballing, it's the consequence of it

voidscalerNov 21, 20192 votes

no its also the cause if elder buff is stolen by the team thats behind them being behind doesnt matter anymore, they win the enxt fight and thus the game

WolfeurNov 22, 20192 votes

If you get the Elder stolen that's kind of your fault…

Starcraft243verNov 26, 20191 votes

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no its also the cause if elder buff is stolen by the team thats behind them being behind doesnt matter anymore, they win the enxt fight and thus the game

Well, so it's not a cause of snowballing, snowballing is starting a little ahead and transforming this little lead into a lead so huge the ennemy team has no chances to comeback. If anything, the elder drake being stolen is quite the opposite of snowballing.

SpôôkedNov 22, 20191 votes

honestly i think they have realized they have made enough profit off of league so they are forcing it to die to non-pc-cafe users so they can (try to) push everyone into the other games they are making

BlaQ GokuNov 21, 20193 votes

Elder is designed to be a game ending buff. It has so much power because it is meant to allow the team to end ASAP. It only spawns when a team has 4 dragons. If the game is a stomp, this will happen around 26 minutes. If the game is close, with traded dragons, the game will likely be at 40+ minutes. Both of these instances call for the game to end soon.

fatalis357Nov 21, 20191 votes

why should they now dictate how long a game takes... as said above, I rather play a 40min match that is really close then a 25min match that was decided 5min in all because riot decides to throw a gun into a knife fight and say "first to get it wins". Played since S3 and this has got to be the dumbest shit that they have done.

Moon MomNov 22, 20191 votes

Not everyone has time for 40 minute games, and they are super frustrating to play anyway.

PumpedheroNov 21, 20192 votes

They announced this is how it works when it was revealed, its so you cant just make 1 -10 iq play and escape what should be a game ending buff.. thats what it is.. its telling you the game is over, it needs to end. Its not snowbally.. its the game going for 30+ minutes and it being too long.

RewtNov 21, 201923 votes

There was a time when League games lasted for 45min average. Its only in the last 3 seasons that have been 25min or less.

Abibyama IINov 21, 20194 votes

And that fucking sucked dick

RewtNov 21, 20197 votes

I mean not really. Games weren't decided at 10 like they are now. they could go either way.

Abibyama IINov 21, 20193 votes

Would rather have this than going through 45 mins of nothing happening

SpôôkedNov 22, 20191 votes

i would rather have a rewarding experience playing this game for 45+ mins, instead of dying in 0,25 seconds for 15mins straight every time i come out of base every single game

Starcraft243verNov 21, 20196 votes

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I mean not really. Games weren't decided at 10 like they are now. they could go either way.

I remember some games in which my opponent froze for 20 minuts and I litteraly could not touch a minion, so, no i'm not so nostalgic.

ThefrostyvikingNov 21, 20194 votes

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I remember some games in which my opponent froze for 20 minuts and I litteraly could not touch a minion, so, no i'm not so nostalgic.

Thank god i am not the only one who remembers this happening .-.

Literally 1 bad jungle gank and suddenly you were unable to farm for the next 20 minutes and were utterly condemed to uselessness, less gold than a damn support who didnt have any passive income items like we do now.

RewtNov 22, 20191 votes

i just miss having some kind of diversity in the jungle. Nowadays every champion is effectively the same. Clear the low value jungle, spam ganks till jungle is back up. Repeat.

In the past there were options to do farm junglers, Gank Junglers, Mixed Junglers. Every playstyle was viable.

Starcraft243verNov 22, 20191 votes

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i just miss having some kind of diversity in the jungle. Nowadays every champion is effectively the same. Clear the low value jungle, spam ganks till jungle is back up. Repeat.

In the past there were options to do farm junglers, Gank Junglers, Mixed Junglers. Every playstyle was viable.

now that the camps give less xp and respawn faster we might see the farmers junglers rise again.

RewtNov 25, 20191 votes

Unlikely. The problem is that Hard Farm Champs got their strength out of stacking jungle items.

Since Camps are even lower value and there is no stacking jungle item to create artificial value out of the jungle, you are still best off spamming ganks.

Starcraft243verNov 25, 20191 votes

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Unlikely. The problem is that Hard Farm Champs got their strength out of stacking jungle items.

Since Camps are even lower value and there is no stacking jungle item to create artificial value out of the jungle, you are still best off spamming ganks.

If you do not farm you are so low in level compared to laners that you just can't gank now.

RewtNov 25, 20191 votes

Im not saying you dont farm at all, but the jungle meta for the last 5 seasons or so has been. Clear jungle as fast as possible, Gank repeatedly until jungle is back up. Repeat.

There was a time when you wouldn't see your jungler for 25min. Then they would walk out with a 40 stack jungle item and 1v9. Sure this was unhealthy, but it was a timer. If a lee sin was able to get ahead early and invade to keep the enemy jungle shut down they could end the game before the jungler got stacked.

Starcraft243verNov 26, 20191 votes

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Im not saying you dont farm at all, but the jungle meta for the last 5 seasons or so has been. Clear jungle as fast as possible, Gank repeatedly until jungle is back up. Repeat.

There was a time when you wouldn't see your jungler for 25min. Then they would walk out with a 40 stack jungle item and 1v9. Sure this was unhealthy, but it was a timer. If a lee sin was able to get ahead early and invade to keep the enemy jungle shut down they could end the game before the jungler got stacked.

Hum, no, in season 5/6 you could farm your jungle for 15 minuts straight then start to gank. It's only since season 7 that ganking has become way better than just farming. Now they are reverting this back a bit and FORCE you to farm a bit (or heavily tax lanes)

SpôôkedNov 22, 20191 votes

idk i never got a migraine looking at champ select when games were lasting over 25min like i do now

and i actually had fun and wanted to come back to the game during those times

Iron PhantomNov 21, 20191 votes

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There was a time when League games lasted for 45min average. Its only in the last 3 seasons that have been 25min or less.

I'm glad they don't last 45 minutes on average anymore, games should last 30 to 35 minutes tops.

BBKongNov 21, 20192 votes

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They announced this is how it works when it was revealed, its so you cant just make 1 -10 iq play and escape what should be a game ending buff.. thats what it is.. its telling you the game is over, it needs to end. Its not snowbally.. its the game going for 30+ minutes and it being too long.

That, in theory, is okay although you can argue over what the average match length should be. In practice, at least where we're at now, it's just really fuckin annoying. "Close, long game? Whichever team wins this objective makes the enemies have 20% less hp!"

It's also way too flashy. I don't like hitting a good Orianna ult and seeing this other thing pop up out of nowhere and steal all my hard earned kills. It just looks stupid and attention-grabby.

TokishiNov 21, 201910 votes

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They announced this is how it works when it was revealed, its so you cant just make 1 -10 iq play and escape what should be a game ending buff.. thats what it is.. its telling you the game is over, it needs to end. Its not snowbally.. its the game going for 30+ minutes and it being too long.

The game is over when a nexus falls, the game should not force that on us, but rather force the players to. I would rather play a 50minute match instead of everything being decided within 30, that'll remove dozens of champions from the game.

SpôôkedNov 22, 20191 votes

the only ppl that complain about long league games are chinese pc cafe users tbh, which is why ~~tencent china sellout~~ riot games added all the insta-win cheese mechanics

Posui GartNov 21, 20192 votes

It makes the rules more simple. "If I'm low with the debuff, I'm dead". Not "If I'm low with the debuff, I'm dead. Unless i was not low earlier and was brought down by a dot and the debuff itself etc" The biggest problem for me is the thematics. Elder dragon is not supposed to wait for enemies to drop low and snipe them, thats not really much "powerful dragon"-like. "After being in combat with champion for 4 seconds, your next damage against champion will also deal AOE base+%currenthp damage in that direction" sounds more like it