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Lose 1 Game. Win 4. 0 Progress.

Cosnirak··3 votes·1,023 views

So as the title says I lost 1 game then 4 won (in a row) and all it did was get me back to where I was before that loss. Obviously this isn't how it is all the time. I lost and was demoted, had to win twice to trigger promo series, win 2 more to win promos. The problem is that there's no scenario where you win 1 game and lose 4 and end up where you were before the win. In ranked play you never get a win streak bonus but there are times where you effectively lose MORE than normal due to a losing streak.

This fact makes it hard to advance at times even with a positive game record. It's highly demoralizing, depends entirely on luck, and I can't find any justification for it. If I won a game, lost a game, then won 3 more games instead of going 1 loss then 3 wins I'd be FAR better off.

Shouldn't the LP I would normally get but don't because I'm in a promo series at least carry over if I win the promo? LP losses incurred during a failed promo series don't just not happen because it's a promo series, you're stuck with them.

Anyone know 100% for sure if how much LP you win or lose is affected by your performance in the game or if it's just based on the MMRs of the players involved? I doubt it does, and I can understand why. Perhaps the system they're using for Champion Mastery would work in regards to LP gains/losses.

tl;dr - The lp and promo system is bullshit. Why can we be hurt extra by loss streaks but gain nothing extra from win streaks?

16 Comments

Waffletimewarp3 votes

It's stuff like this that makes me continue thinking that the current ranked system is absolutely stupid.

Is there a particular reason we can't go back to the plain old "This is your ELO, everything from x to y is gold/plat/bronze/whatever".

Dreadlocks1 votes

As far as I know and have been told (I have had the same complaint) is that its all about your win/loss ratio.. once you get back to 50% win your points will be more even..

Puri Puri Taric1 votes

i have 71% winratio with taric still not gold ... u mad ?

Dreadlocks1 votes

why would i be mad?

Puri Puri Taric1 votes

the win ratio thing doesnt mean sht i still cant get gold . played 850+ games with taric rocking a 61 % winrate still not gold plat or diamond.

Dreadlocks1 votes

what does that have to do with LP for win/loss if you lose all your promos then yeah ur not going anywhere

Puri Puri Taric1 votes

obviously so what can i do about it ? its not me who lost the damn promos i warded the fk out of this map placed 1 ward every minute so in most cases 60 wards for 60 minutes games. still lost cuz some people cant do objectives.

Bemapon1 votes

So higher win % = lower lp from winning and higher from losing?

Dreadlocks1 votes

It is all about your hidden MMR, but in most cases you can say if you win 50% of your games u will get fair points for a win loss... if you are say in silver 1 and u start on a losing streak, you start playing with and vs ppl of lower MMR, maybe silver 4/5 or even bronez 1 so you LOSE more points. Then when you finally win, its like big woop you beat ppl of lower rank. If you are say 60 wins 80 losses.. you are going to have a hard time getting points.. once you get those 60 wins closer to the 80 losses.. points will be more even.

Bemapon1 votes

This is what I though, but then I started getting matched up against golds (Im silver 1) and I lose 20 and gain 16. Not too much of a big deal, just slightly annoying.

Dreadlocks1 votes

They might of been on tilt.. so they may be in gold but their MMR might be equal or even lower than yours.

Const the Ginger1 votes

in season 3 I got gold 5 and instantly went on a losing streak of 13 games. I took some time off, came back, and ended the season at gold 1.

I use to believe in all the elo hell bs, and the unfairness of match making. But, the truth is, no system is perfect. A lot goes into this game, just like any competition.

I think people just can't get over the fact that they may have hit their cap in skill level. I mean, who says that? I think I'm plat level, yet I'm having trouble getting back into gold 1. Every bronze/silver thinks their gold.

Life is unfair, and not everyone deserves to be Diamond. Some people are ment to be bronze, it's just the way it is.

Puri Puri Taric1 votes

im pretty shure i was ment to be gold but after i got my gold promo ruined 14 times in a row i just stopped playing ranked cuz the season ended anyways so yea "fair system and its the players fault blabla bullsht. if anything i tryharded the fk out of those games still lost cuz enemys where better and bt they always where higher ranked than my entire team so yeah "ballanced matchups for shure""

ZephyrDrake1 votes

i don't get it... if you were actually demoted then that means you didn't just "lose one game" i have had my fair share of losing streaks and only ever got demoted by losing multiple times while having 0 LP. You will never just randomly lose one game and get demoted unless you had already lost quite a bit in which case it's not the system's fault that it thinks you are not ready for that division.

Cosnirak1 votes

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i don't get it... if you were actually demoted then that means you didn't just "lose one game" i have had my fair share of losing streaks and only ever got demoted by losing multiple times while having 0 LP. You will never just randomly lose one game and get demoted unless you had already lost quite a bit in which case it's not the system's fault that it thinks you are not ready for that division.

Indeed I lost games before that first one. The point is that if in those 5 games I mentioned I had won the first of them I would be FAR better off. The order you win or lose games has a HUGE impact. There is a small loss forgiveness when you reach 0 LP because you have to lose multiple games at 0 in a row to get demoted. But if you do lose that one extra game and get demoted the cost is MASSIVE. The overall penalty for loss streaks in MANY cases is very big.

I consistently play better than 3 or 4 of my teammates in every aspect. In games I win I am usually the reason we won, both in fights and strategically. When we lose I still do better than my teammates and am not the one feeding the enemy who carries them to victory. Yet I'm 2 divisions below where I was put after placements.

Last season I was placed Silver 4 and kept barely losing promos 1-2 and so never hit S3. Now I get placed in Bronze 1 (with a higher win % in placements iirc) and I'm struggling to not be demoted to B4 for the 3rd time? In both seasons at the moment of this post I literally have the same win percentage. Yet this season after placements I'm doing FAR worse due to one simple thing. The exact order of my wins and losses are less favorable. It's one thing for a little luck of the order of wins/losses to be factor but this level of impact is absolutely BULLSHIT.

Luxiee1 votes

I am just extremely tired of losing because of disconnects, afks, and leavers. It is annoying. You have to work 3 times as hard to win a game with a handicap. Yet nothing happens effectively to fix this issue. I played 9/10 provisionals. I won 3 and lossed 6 and every single one of those 6 matches had one thing in common. A Leaver. Yet I get punished for it being stuck with a loss when it couldn't be helped. all because someone left.

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