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Is Kai’Sa ever going to get meaningfully changed?

Fisher No Chains·10/13/2019, 5:40:29 PM·49 votes·15,849 views

Okay, I get it, she’s hella popular. But the fact that she’s in almost every game in SoloQ and her presence in competitive is insanely high tells a lot about her current state.

Kai’Sa is capable of doing everything a traditional adc can only dream of. She has burst damage (and don’t tell me her upgraded Q doesn’t burst people down), sustained damage, on hit damage, invisibility, an AS steroid on top of that stealth, long range poke, a big ass shield and a long range dash.

Sure, writing down what her kit does doesn’t make her OP, but honestly speaking, what’s that thing Kai’Sa CAN’T do?

She can also build literally any defensive item (AP or AD) and lose zero damage overall because she scales with everything. It’s indeed fun playing against a champion with Zhonya’s/Banshee’s, invisibility, ms steroid, a dash and a massive shield.

For the love of god do something about her. I’m so tired of playing against that busted ass champion and seeing her in every game, pro included.

65 Comments

The thigh guy10/13/2019, 7:24:44 PM16 votes

It’s almost like she’s the only adc who can use the only defensive tool in the game that actually works anymore. Hmmmmmmmm.

Zed genius10/13/2019, 8:51:13 PM11 votes

The reason that she is popular in the first place is because she is just broken

Emperor Talquin10/13/2019, 7:27:30 PM10 votes

The whole idea of a Marksman/assassin/hybrid just shouldn't of made it past the drawing board, she has the dps of vayne and the mobility of Kha'zix and that shouldn't of happened in the first place.

Infernape10/14/2019, 10:04:20 AM6 votes

Honestly for a late game scaling champ going by Riot's words, she doesn't feel weak in lane between her Q damage, her passive and PtA.

Hell last I checked, she wins around 50% of games that end in under 20 minutes. Whereas someone like Vayne barely comes close.

Krys Star10/14/2019, 6:43:10 PM4 votes

I've been preaching since her release that she's busted. I ban her every chance I get. She's incredibly unfun and frustrating to play against. I just don't know how they could nerf her since every single one of her abilities is overloaded and would likely shift her balanced terribly if something got removed, otherwise she's going to be in a limbo of too strong, too weak.

Riot needs to stop overloading champions and give them meaningful weaknesses like they used to.

vurtruvious10/14/2019, 11:06:30 AM4 votes

So fucking tired of riot refusing to do their jobs. Just take away the dual scaling, take away her teammates ability to proc passive, and take away her interaction with manamune. I want to play a fucking game with a clear goddamn premise. On one hand, they want you to have fun and play weird shit, remember those commericals??? Then on the other, the moment you do something deemed not meta by them, youre punished, whether its directly by them, or their game design. For fucks sake, I wanna watch some weird shit in a real pro game with something like shen and zed bot lane against a double yuumi bot lane. I WANT TO HAVE FUN AND FUCKING LAUGH.

Kazekiba10/13/2019, 6:14:31 PM3 votes

Zhonyas Banshees BloodThirster Phantom Dancer Manamune Rageblade :)

With a Lulu (next patch) or Yuumi and Shen and Ivern

Sylaelque10/13/2019, 6:21:58 PM3 votes

Maybe her W and R range should be lowered a bit more but Kaisa isn't op as much as Jinx .

Pool Party Pix10/13/2019, 10:07:51 PM3 votes

Yea she is busted but what about mages they are even better.

Somebody Love Me10/13/2019, 11:21:53 PM2 votes

I firmly believe she's a product of the engage/teamfight meta, which she excels at. Her lane phase is super weak, but people believe she's good early because she has a really good all in and kill pressure, because she synergizes with heavy cc supports and engage champions, which have been the meta for the past year and a half. I feel like if we tone down this cc creep and at least lower the priority on engage supports, Kai'sa will be easier to exploit early and fall out of flavor.

In fact, I believe knocking engage/kill supports down a peg will slow down the game so passive supports shine. This would bring back weak laning hypercarries, which can be good or bad depending on how you feel. Kai'sa doesn't do well against these champs in lane, so she'd struggle. And she also doesn't scale as well compared to most of them.

SooFr0sty10/15/2019, 6:49:01 AM2 votes

They need to make her ability upgrades cost more.

120 or 150

Charmy Bird10/14/2019, 2:35:22 PM1 votes

Kaisa is their golden child and they'll never touch their precious one. Just the fact that they nerfed her e even though everyone was pointing at different things prove that riot has no intention of changing kaisa

Probliss10/14/2019, 3:23:24 PM1 votes

I don't think you should be talking about pro picks when you're complaining about champions. Pros also pick Akali, who isn't in a good spot right now. Kai'sa's win rate is criminally low despite her 'overloaded' kit. She only shows a win rate higher than 50% in challenger. She isn't even close to one of the strongest adcs in soloQ, this patch. I feel like you just got stomped by a Kai'sa and came here to complain afterwards.

O Fallen Scholar10/15/2019, 3:34:40 PM1 votes

Her W damage (and its passive procs) and ultimate shield needs to be looked at. Rest seems fine.