Here is the full list of Vladimir counters after 5.13
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Clearly the text should have just had the words "ban 1 of 3, done"

Aatrox can sustain him and since Vladimir doesnt really have any super powerful all in damage until Level 6 (and even that is delayed), Aatrox just cannot be touched by Vladimir.
Even if Vladimir pools, Fiddlesticks can still deal damage to him with his W as well as have equal sustain to Vladimir. Vladimir also does not have any hard crowd control to stop Fiddlesticks from channeling his W and R. His E silences Vladimir too, which causes Vladimir to temporarily have no damage output.
Malzahar is the same as Fiddlesticks. His E and R still deal damage to Vladimir while he is pooling and his Q is a silence to stop his damage output.
Swain and his Q can also deal damage to Vladimir while he is pooling. He also can equal his sustain.
Majority of Teemo's damage is over time, which Vladimir can't stop while pooling. Teemo is also hard to harass so he can reply to Vladimir's damage.
Warwick can instantly lock down Vladimir and can equal his sustain. This stops Vladimir from doing anything, which is a big part of stopping him.
Yorick's passive cancels out Vladimir's ultimate and more, and his E allows him to equal his sustain. Yorick also has arguably more sustained damage than Vladimir in a 1v1, so he can win majority of the time.
None of those are counters to an experienced Vlad.
: As Vlad, you dodge his E, save your pool for his Q, and save your Q for using only against him. If Aatrox has the advantage, you should focus on farming. You will eventually outscale him.
: Numerous nerfs means that Fiddlesticks is no longer the counter that he used to be to Vlad. Fidd can't play too aggressively because he will eventually become OOM, while you as Vlad doesn't have any resource, being aggressive would also expose Fidd to ganks. If Fidd is draining you, just don't trade with him. It is simple: Vlad will lose trades if FIdd is using Drain, Vlad will win trades otherwise.
: Play very safe, focus on farming, after your Hextech Revolver, buy a Negatron Cloak. Most Malzahar will focus on purchasing early magic penetration, making Negatron Cloak a good counter to this. Then, you can farm eternally, because even if you can't kill Malzahar, he can't kill you either, because you can sustain through all his damage. If he ever becomes OOM, that is your window of opportunity to kill him. Also, like Fiddlesticks, Malzahar is very vulnerable to ganks.
: Start with Doran's Shield and movement speed quintessences. Then do the same thing against Swain that you would do against Malzahar, except that I would recommend to buy a Specter's Cowl instead of a Negatron, because HP is better against Swain than against Malzahar. Swain itself has sustain, so don't try to trade with him if he activated his ult. Swain's mana costs are incredibly high, he will probably become OOM, giving you an opportunity to kill him.
: LoL nope. Not even close to a counter. If anything, Vladimir counters Teemo. Just buy spellvamp, then magic resistance, you win every trade against Teemo. Start with Doran's Shield to mitigate his early damage. Play safe early game, but you can use your Q on Teemo and still win trades due to your (and Teemo's lack of) sustain. Sell your yellow trinket and buy the red trinket instead and upgrade it to get rid of Teemo's mushrooms, and DON'T STEP ON THEM! Teemo is extremely squishy, too.
: It may be difficult to kill Warwick due to his incredible sustain, but Warwick just doesn't have the tools to kill Vlad, and like Swain, his mana costs are incredibly high. Also, aside from his ult, he lacks a good gap closer, so Vlad can kite him eternally.
: Yorick's early mana costs are incredibly high. Yorick is just plainly outscaled by Vlad. Just play safe when Yorick has his Tear.
malzahar out of mana? that's a new one and his kit specifically counters vlad's
Without a Rod of Ages, Malzahar definitively can't spam spells, he should be careful with what he is doing with his E, otherwise yes, he can be out of mana.
Only Malz's that spam DOTs on minion waves to farm instead of last-hitting like a normal human being ever run out of mana tbh.
Under normal circumstances, Vlad gets his ass handed to him by most midlaners, hence why he's mostly sent top,
Which is bullshit considering melees live in toplane and that means you most likely need to play ranged to beat him.
Not everyone plays ranged champions, this cancerous fuck must die.
I agree. We should delete every champ in the game with more than 100 range. That way they can't disrupt top-lane slug-fests.
You can disrupt top-lane slug-fests with melees champions as well.
lanes are often fun to look at.
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are cheese masters.
force kill potential with their ranged poke spells.
Some lanes are out for blood by default like

Toplane isn't home to tanks only, it is where most of the fighters bring out the epic 1v1 brawls. That's how I see it anyway.



I love seeing these characters in toplane, I think it's exciting to see them pull off lane survival and solo kills when the opportunity arises. What I hate most about toplane is the lane length so when they commit to a fight, it is easy for an outsider to come in and ruing a perfectly good 1v1.
Um
is the only cheese master. Not sure what crocodiles like but I'm pretty sure it isn't vegetarian.
The shortest AA range in the game is 125. So all champions would be deleted.
. . . oh, I thought you meant 100 range more than the base range [125]
That went over my head lol
cough cough Cho and Gnar
Gnar is also cancer yes. If you don't make him feel the cancer counter, he will be cancer to you.
I'm talking about facing him with things like
where he can have no fun whatsoever in lane, just like he does to most melee toplaners.
Laning phase should not be as bullshit as that, atrocities like
should not exist in this game. :/
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Gnar is also cancer yes. If you don't make him feel the cancer counter, he will be cancer to you.
I'm talking about facing him with things like
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where he can have no fun whatsoever in lane, just like he does to most melee toplaners.
Laning phase should not be as bullshit as that, atrocities like
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should not exist in this game. :/
At least it isn't a couple patches back anymore.
The joys of TP+Smite toplane take a camp lvl 1, rush challenging smite+cinderhulk. That was so incredibly fun to play agaisnt. (Bonus points if it was a Sion who AoE cleared the minions and walked away.)
spamming e on minion waves gives back more mana than the cost... malz that try to poke with q are the ones that go oom
None of those are counters to an experienced Vlad.
: As Vlad, you dodge his E, save your pool for his Q, and save your Q for using only against him. If Aatrox has the advantage, you should focus on farming. You will eventually outscale him.
: Numerous nerfs means that Fiddlesticks is no longer the counter that he used to be to Vlad. Fidd can't play too aggressively because he will eventually become OOM, while you as Vlad doesn't have any resource, being aggressive would also expose Fidd to ganks. If Fidd is draining you, just don't trade with him. It is simple: Vlad will lose trades if FIdd is using Drain, Vlad will win trades otherwise.
: Play very safe, focus on farming, after your Hextech Revolver, buy a Negatron Cloak. Most Malzahar will focus on purchasing early magic penetration, making Negatron Cloak a good counter to this. Then, you can farm eternally, because even if you can't kill Malzahar, he can't kill you either, because you can sustain through all his damage. If he ever becomes OOM, that is your window of opportunity to kill him. Also, like Fiddlesticks, Malzahar is very vulnerable to ganks.
: Start with Doran's Shield and movement speed quintessences. Then do the same thing against Swain that you would do against Malzahar, except that I would recommend to buy a Specter's Cowl instead of a Negatron, because HP is better against Swain than against Malzahar. Swain itself has sustain, so don't try to trade with him if he activated his ult. Swain's mana costs are incredibly high, he will probably become OOM, giving you an opportunity to kill him.
: LoL nope. Not even close to a counter. If anything, Vladimir counters Teemo. Just buy spellvamp, then magic resistance, you win every trade against Teemo. Start with Doran's Shield to mitigate his early damage. Play safe early game, but you can use your Q on Teemo and still win trades due to your (and Teemo's lack of) sustain. Sell your yellow trinket and buy the red trinket instead and upgrade it to get rid of Teemo's mushrooms, and DON'T STEP ON THEM! Teemo is extremely squishy, too.
: It may be difficult to kill Warwick due to his incredible sustain, but Warwick just doesn't have the tools to kill Vlad, and like Swain, his mana costs are incredibly high. Also, aside from his ult, he lacks a good gap closer, so Vlad can kite him eternally.
: Yorick's early mana costs are incredibly high. Yorick is just plainly outscaled by Vlad. Just play safe when Yorick has his Tear.
If you think swain doesn't counter an experience vlad, you clearly haven't tried the matchup in anything out of silver elo. There is no counterplay in that lane, it is a nightmare for vlad at level 3, anytime he attempts cs, he eats a E+Q+autos. Once swain hit's 6, vlad won't be coming near any CS. You can win that lane with 1 eye closed and 1 hand behind your back. Swain will not run out of mana, he can easily just last hit minions and stay near full with a catalyst.
That "song" gave me more cancer than
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combined.
Considering Kalista is a walking tumor. . . . . . That's impressive.
None of those are counters to an experienced Vlad.
: As Vlad, you dodge his E, save your pool for his Q, and save your Q for using only against him. If Aatrox has the advantage, you should focus on farming. You will eventually outscale him.
So play everything perfectly and assume Aatrox doesn't do anything right? What?
Once Aatrox has Visage and Botrk he can just outright ignore you.
Once Vladimir has Void Staff + Sorcs + Haunting Guise he'll melt through Aatrox defenses like butter. Hell, there's not even a problem when everyone just ignore each other. Vladimir outscales Aatrox hard.
once vladimir get out of the bath, aatrox jumps on him and destroy him in like 4 or 5, that's of course requier aatrox to be built
that's why you save your W for his jump...
. Vlad will never win this 1v1. But nevertheless LOL is not a 1v1 game tho. Note: his build is quite flexible. If there are more ad, then simply remove wits end for an armor item. You can also get GA but this comment is not about what build is best, you can look at a guide for that.
Swain doesn't counter vlad? go tell this to diamond players
Malza doesn't counter Vlad, LOL. You don't really have any idea how Malza works.
Malza runs out of mana against passive lanes? Malza can't kill you? You can sustain through his dmg? All of these statements are false and you should feel bad.
Even if these champions were a guaranteed win every lane against Vlad, he still scales incredibly well. For having a respectable laning phase, followed by becomnig an incredibly strong teamfight mage, that's hard to deal with.
...If you call having no CC, weak AoE and tragically low range Good Teamfight Potential, that is.
His lane phase early on isn't even good lol.
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Aatrox can sustain him and since Vladimir doesnt really have any super powerful all in damage until Level 6 (and even that is delayed), Aatrox just cannot be touched by Vladimir.
Even if Vladimir pools, Fiddlesticks can still deal damage to him with his W as well as have equal sustain to Vladimir. Vladimir also does not have any hard crowd control to stop Fiddlesticks from channeling his W and R. His E silences Vladimir too, which causes Vladimir to temporarily have no damage output.
Malzahar is the same as Fiddlesticks. His E and R still deal damage to Vladimir while he is pooling and his Q is a silence to stop his damage output.
Swain and his Q can also deal damage to Vladimir while he is pooling. He also can equal his sustain.
Majority of Teemo's damage is over time, which Vladimir can't stop while pooling. Teemo is also hard to harass so he can reply to Vladimir's damage.
Warwick can instantly lock down Vladimir and can equal his sustain. This stops Vladimir from doing anything, which is a big part of stopping him.
Yorick's passive cancels out Vladimir's ultimate and more, and his E allows him to equal his sustain. Yorick also has arguably more sustained damage than Vladimir in a 1v1, so he can win majority of the time.
The only true counter is swain. An experienced Vlad beats the rest with one eye close.
The only true counter is swain. An experienced Vlad beats the rest with one eye close.
As a Malzahar main AND a Vladimir player, I declare that you are entirely full of shit.
Fiddle, Malz, Swain, and Warwick are the worst IMO. As Vlad, you literally cannot kill Fiddle/Swain/WW. Malz wins because of DoT, silence, and mostly his R. People also tend to forget how valuable his W is because it deals % damage... and since Vlad is tankier than most mages, it is more effective against him.

As i played huge amounts of Vlad games and he is by far my most played champ of all time, i gotta say he doesnt need a nerf. In my opinion, there is a few champions that can destroy him by wrecking his early-game.
Keep in mind that it should be the same skill level (we take the amount of "over 9000" to make sure that i dont mean noobs at the same level)
"Counters:"
can quite easily destroy him early on. If he continues to punish Vlad by poking him all day with a spear, the vamp wont reach the mid-endgame and gets wreckt hard
is as dangerous as Pantheon is. He just needs to get to his bilgewater cutlass to completely destroy immobile Vlad, which has no escape beside flash
is way more powerful than Vlad is in this 1v1. He has got that CC to outrange Vlad and to outsustain him. Vlad wont be able to heal himself enough in early levels
is one of the hardest counters to Vlad, because she has got that AD rationated shield and the jump to reach him. A good Riven will never lose this matchup
Yes. Olaf. An Olaf starting with 10% CDR has nearly no cooldown on his taken up axe. Well, just look how surprised i was after that Olaf completely destroyed me in a ranked game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46UKskFyyNY
I gotta say i played that badly, had to flash earlier. I just was too surprised how kinky that kite was. (my bad!)
and his continuesly slow and % HP damage are quite dangerous to vlad too. Gnar doesnt even have to get any AD besides hexdrinker.
Cassiopeia quick-bursts him to death. He wont be able to heal up again. One Q then E-E-E and that several times to wreck him.
Maxing silence and going RoA (SV after) make ganks easily succeeding. As Cho just silence him, then Q, ignite and eat him. Someitmes ignite is not even needed.
Another counter is ganks. If a Vlad gets ganked a lot, he wont be able to farm. He has no escape beside his
and he is a naturally pusher. While getting ganked every 2 minutes, he needs to stick to his tower.
"Even matchups:"

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As i played huge amounts of Vlad games and he is by far my most played champ of all time, i gotta say he doesnt need a nerf. In my opinion, there is a few champions that can destroy him by wrecking his early-game.
Keep in mind that it should be the same skill level (we take the amount of "over 9000" to make sure that i dont mean noobs at the same level)
"Counters:"
can quite easily destroy him early on. If he continues to punish Vlad by poking him all day with a spear, the vamp wont reach the mid-endgame and gets wreckt hard
is as dangerous as Pantheon is. He just needs to get to his bilgewater cutlass to completely destroy immobile Vlad, which has no escape beside flash
is way more powerful than Vlad is in this 1v1. He has got that CC to outrange Vlad and to outsustain him. Vlad wont be able to heal himself enough in early levels
is one of the hardest counters to Vlad, because she has got that AD rationated shield and the jump to reach him. A good Riven will never lose this matchup
Yes. Olaf. An Olaf starting with 10% CDR has nearly no cooldown on his taken up axe. Well, just look how surprised i was after that Olaf completely destroyed me in a ranked game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46UKskFyyNY
I gotta say i played that badly, had to flash earlier. I just was too surprised how kinky that kite was. (my bad!)
and his continuesly slow and % HP damage are quite dangerous to vlad too. Gnar doesnt even have to get any AD besides hexdrinker.
Cassiopeia quick-bursts him to death. He wont be able to heal up again. One Q then E-E-E and that several times to wreck him.
Maxing silence and going RoA (SV after) make ganks easily succeeding. As Cho just silence him, then Q, ignite and eat him. Someitmes ignite is not even needed.
Another counter is ganks. If a Vlad gets ganked a lot, he wont be able to farm. He has no escape beside his
and he is a naturally pusher. While getting ganked every 2 minutes, he needs to stick to his tower.
"Even matchups:"
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: If he tries to spam spears, he will be OOM before he can kill Vlad. Vlad can simply start with Cloth + 5 pots and outsustain Panth, and outscale him too.
: Save Vlad's pool for his jump, dodge his E, Q him everytime he tries to farm, and you will outscale him too.
: Start with Doran's Shield and mov speed quints, after your
buy a
. Save Vlad's pool for when Swain use his snare, and don't try to trade with him if he has his ult avaliable.
is the only one that I agree that can be called a true counter to Vlad. There is no way to beat a good Riven, other than banning Riven during the champion select. A bad Riven can be dealt with, but you can beat every champ if the player is bad with them.
: He had to start with 20% cooldown reduction as said on the video. He was just cheesing you too early, every champion can win lane this way. If Olaf doesn't cheese you, he can't win lane as long as you dodge axes. It can be difficult to kill Olaf once he gets magic resistance, though. But regardless, Vlad will outscale him during the mid/late game.
: He loses trades with a Vlad that know what he is doing. If Vlad dodges the boomerang, he can just Q on Gnar's face, which has no response because he is outranged. He will have to stack a lot of magic resistance early to win trades, and again, Vlad will just outscale him late game, and will win trades late game anyway.
: Dodge Q and W. If Cassiopeia hits you, however, as long as you have spellvamp, it is way too easy to just heal up again. Vlad will also burst down and kill Cassiopeia if he ever comes close, a well timed pool can dodge Cassiopeia's ultimate.
: An AP Cho'Gath has a lot of damage early game, but starting with movspeed quints can allow Vlad to have a fairly easy time against him. Play safe until you have spellvamp and a Negatron Cloak (a Specter's Cowl also works well). Then watch and see how you win every trade against Cho'Gath. Vlad is actually one of the very few champions who can outsustain Cho. A tank Cho'Gath is waaaaaay easier to deal with since he doesn't even have the damage to deal with you during late game. That said, AP Cho'Gath is surprisingly squishy and easy to kill and focus during the late game.
can actually deal with him fairly well early, as he can use his W to mitigate Vlad's poke while also sustaining from Vlad using his Q. He can easily buy
and some MR items early and can actually win in trades because of it.
no, no no
Shen can't deal with Vlad at all. His shield CANNOT mitigate Vlad's poke, Shen would have to max W, and even then, the cooldown on Vlad's Q is very low, allowing him to harass Shen all day. Shen does not have enough sustain to compete with Vlad's sustain and just doesn't have the damage needed to win direct trades. Unless both were just to auto-attack each other, of course, then Shen would win, but this will never happen. The only way for Shen to win this is if his jungler babysits him. The only advantage that Shen otherwise has over Vlad, is that Vlad can't interrupt the channeling on his ult, although Vlad can ult on Shen at the last moment. This will make Shen come to gank while affected by Vlad's ult, which will make him take more damage from Vlad's allies.
Seems like you've never played Vladmir against that champions. It should be clear, that Vladimir needs to get suppressed in the EARLY game. The farther the games goes, the stronger he becomes, the less "counters" exist to him. Only hard-cc can stop him in the late game. This post was about early game until minute 15.
Every 2nd counter i mentioned was denied by you saying "dodge skillshots". You can't dodge all skillshots. His pool has 21 sec cooldown and the thing is if he gets caught by any of that champs early, in 70% of the causes it concludes in your death.
only counter will be the oppnes of 
Do your homework.

ESPECIALLY This guy:

Kass gets murdered by a good Vlad.
The only counter I've had success with is 5.12 Ryze and Swain (until late game).
Rumble... and the one to counter rumble will be: .... oh wait...
I counter pick Rumble with Lulu.
I counter pick Rumble with Lulu.
RIP her sustain in top lane though T_T hated those mana changes, not bad solo but the mana nerfs only weakened her solo lane strength imo
Of course, that was the whole point of those nerfs.
Solo lane lulu is cancer.
Of course, that was the whole point of those nerfs.
Solo lane lulu is cancer.
Annoying, not cancer... she isnt like some champions that can go 0/3 in lane and still carry a game later on -_-
If a Tryn in your games is going 0/3 in lane and carrying the game later, that's on your shoulders.
It doesn't make Solulu any less cancer.
If a Tryn in your games is going 0/3 in lane and carrying the game later, that's on your shoulders.
It doesn't make Solulu any less cancer.
No I just hate how he is one of those champs that just splits -_- and then E's away, he just isnt fun to play against (my own opinion doesnt mean he is a bad or amazing champ i just dont like him). Lulu isn't as bad as a split champ like tryn... lulu can at least die fast in teamfights while tryn you have to watch as he takes 2 turrets while your fighting T-T
Lulu isn't cancer, it is just that she has enough utility to be useful even when behind, so she can't carry but she can help her team to carry, but a champion like Tryndamere can be useless if behind unless he farms a lot.
Riven
There are plenty Vlad counters, Riven, Ryze, Malz, Lux, Ori but I do get it that he will be overpowered with earlier power spike and stronger late game. He will get nerfed, untill then I will main Veigar.