How do you play against brand support as tahm kench support

Tahminatrix ··2 votes·1,856 views

Basically the title..idk how to counterplay Brand , even when I catch him at melee range he manages to stun me before I can auto q auto.... and even when I chain slow him with q his stun is just a better cc.. and its always back up...getting 3 stacks on him to land my own stun is nearly impossible...worst of all is he is aoe/multi target....I mean I can shut down his ult by eating someone to stop it from bouncing sometimes but his stun has a lower cd then my w and even lasts longer then my q 3 stack stun.

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Rákãñ3 votes

Play passively till your jungler ganks and jump on him so hard. If he refuses to gank, leave lane and eat his butt and bring him to your lane forcefully. That's what I do as Tahm.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

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oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

you just play passive and save your adc from being blown up and look to be a super tank for team

Tahminatrix 1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=d6FiBbau,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-03-16T23:49:54.659+0000)

you just play passive and save your adc from being blown up and look to be a super tank for team

What do I do about his aoe dmg ? aegis helps alot but it feels like im buying an item just to defend against the enemy support...not to mention the high cd....I also saved my adc multiple times but they just walk back in to lane and die before my w goes off cooldown.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

well what runes and masteries are you running ?

what items are you rushing in lane ?

Tahminatrix 1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=d6FiBbau,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-16T23:59:23.026+0000)

well what runes and masteries are you running ?

what items are you rushing in lane ?

a few cdr glyphs ...cdr and movement speed quints...I have storm raiders surge since bond of stone stops tahm ult...and colossus shield doesnt synergize with tahms kit.....

I usually go for eye of equinox because the 10% cdr means I can get close to 40% fast...allowing my q to start chain stunning...not as good as brand`s stun tho...idk why he gets a point and click ranged set up for his stun to proc....while tahm has to auto 3 times or q to catch up and auto auto....

also the new mastery that replaced bond of stone doesnt explain itself very well...can you have multiple brands "the debuff" across multiple enemy champs? if so tahm only has a single target slow...

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

ok well this is my opinion and i main support and i love tanks

i run armor reds, armor quints, hp yellows and mr blues

i run 0-12-18 set up

i run this for nunu, maokai, tahm, malphite, leona, naut, taric, etc in bot lane

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

bond of stone dont exist any more... and its now a new keystone that if you do damage to a champ that slows them in any way any teammate that does damage to that enemy who is marked is healed

STONEBORN PACK Grants 5% maximum health as bonus health. Your crowd control effects brand enemy champions with an Earthen Rune for 4 seconds. Other allied champions who attack branded enemies heal for 5 (+ 2.5% of your maximum health) over 2 seconds (halved to 2.5 (+ 1.25% of your maximum health) if you are ranged). http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Stoneborn_Pact

Tahminatrix 1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=d6FiBbau,comment-id=00000000000000000001,timestamp=2017-03-17T00:23:44.200+0000)

bond of stone dont exist any more... and its now a new keystone that if you do damage to a champ that slows them in any way any teammate that does damage to that enemy who is marked is healed

STONEBORN PACK Grants 5% maximum health as bonus health. Your crowd control effects brand enemy champions with an Earthen Rune for 4 seconds. Other allied champions who attack branded enemies heal for 5 (+ 2.5% of your maximum health) over 2 seconds (halved to 2.5 (+ 1.25% of your maximum health) if you are ranged). http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Stoneborn_Pact

ya ik...maybe I updated my edit too late.....can multiple enemies have the earthen rune and does omen work? Tahm only has one single target slow...even thresh would benefit from it more then tahm i bet...lol ... if it is able to be applied to more then one at a time.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

well alot of tahm players run attack speed reds to use his autos faster to proc his slow passive

but you also get free 5% bonus health

which is what tahm needs

Tahminatrix 1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=d6FiBbau,comment-id=0000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2017-03-17T00:27:20.082+0000)

well alot of tahm players run attack speed reds to use his autos faster to proc his slow passive

but you also get free 5% bonus health

which is what tahm needs

ya i have atk speed reds along with some magic pen

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

you dont need magic pen

your job isnt to do damage

i know we all have our own ways of playing ...

but as someone who is a support main. and some one whos plays alot of tanks and tank supports i kinda have a good handle on this...

i just finished game as naut.. support, out damage the enemy team except for their adc... who had 17 kills. i went 2-8-25 that game

so im trying to give legit helpful advice...

either run a full tank page with armor hp and mr

or use attack speed reds, armor quints, hp seals and mr blues

and 0-12-18 is best bet cuz you get nothing out of going further into cunning and more out of resolve tree

Tahminatrix 1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=d6FiBbau,comment-id=000000000000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-17T01:32:51.201+0000)

you dont need magic pen

your job isnt to do damage

i know we all have our own ways of playing ...

but as someone who is a support main. and some one whos plays alot of tanks and tank supports i kinda have a good handle on this...

i just finished game as naut.. support, out damage the enemy team except for their adc... who had 17 kills. i went 2-8-25 that game

so im trying to give legit helpful advice...

either run a full tank page with armor hp and mr

or use attack speed reds, armor quints, hp seals and mr blues

and 0-12-18 is best bet cuz you get nothing out of going further into cunning and more out of resolve tree

The magic pen is to proc stormraiders surge, pulling the enemy adc all the way to our backline to get deleted should be considered supporting otherwise blitz is not a support

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

ideally you dont pick tahm into brand... but if you pick 1st then they pick later its gonna happen...

RPK9KM4K4A1 votes

You can't, brand just counters tahm so hard. Especially when you try to eat your adc (or other teammate) and run away. Brand can just wait 1-2s then ult you to hit you and your eaten teammate for double kills.

Tahminatrix 1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Serene Grace,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=d6FiBbau,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-03-17T00:01:20.849+0000)

You can't, brand just counters tahm so hard. Especially when you try to eat your adc (or other teammate) and run away. Brand can just wait 1-2s then ult you to hit you and your eaten teammate for double kills.

why would brand counter tahm if brand is aoe dmg and tahm is single target everything lol...

and thats not brand countering tahm that is brand knowing how stupid teammates are about jumping out early.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

brand has %hp damage and DOT ... and he rushes item 3136 into item 3151

Tahminatrix 1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=d6FiBbau,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2017-03-17T00:08:28.753+0000)

brand has %hp damage and DOT ... and he rushes item 3136 into item 3151

ya I know thats why I stack heavy magic resist whenever I see brand, merc treads usually covers most of the pen he gets ...except for void staff....idk how to counter build that....since he does %hp dmg.

llIllIllIllIll1 votes

It's hard to play TK vs mages bot but you should have an MR blues (and even quints) page for situations like that - Brand won't do any damage to you if you start with strong MR and you can just bodyblock for your ADC. Also you can eat your ADC to completely negate the W/R


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Doodlzzz1 votes

If u stay behind minions, u wont get stunned.

when he goes ham on ur adc, just eat him

Tahminatrix 1 votes

{quoted}

If u stay behind minions, u wont get stunned.

when he goes ham on ur adc, just eat him Thats what i did but wtf am i supposed to do after the laning phase....

I half carried early - mid game trying to get our kog to hit late but IDK how to beat Brand late game as TahmKench i was 2/9/27 and enemy brand was 2/12/22... he didnt even have wards and when we lost the enemy team says gg ez and that I suck CLEARLY BY THAT LOGIC TAHM KENCH IS A GOOD LATE GAME CHAMP AND I DID SOMETHING WRONG? I saved teammates so many times yet I am told that I suck by the enemy brand and then he leaves....clearly support is just a trash role that gets no respect for anything or I just cant support...

AND NO I DONT MEAN DUEL BRAND I just want to know how to outplay him and have more appearance in group fights....

DarkDeamonDragon1 votes

Tahm is good with a lot of health and, against a Brand, MR is your friend. Banshees Veil is a good buy against Brand for the passive shield. Locket will also give you to MR and an active shield to defend with. I'm also assuming you're starting with Relic Shield as your gold item, so upgrade that into Face of the Mountain for more shielding. Do not forget to use these actives. If their team has other mages aside from Brand also grab a Spirit Visage. I would highly recommend switching your keystone to Stoneborn Pact, and when it procs ping the opponent for the ADC to attack so you can make the most of it. Hide behind minions when you can to avoid the stun and dodge his W the best you can. There's not much you can do about the burn. Try to keep your team from clustering together, it makes his ult devastating. Like some others have already said, Tahm is not a great matchup against Brand. This is mostly because of his passive which (according to the LoL site) deals 2% of max health damage for 4 seconds and is super difficult to avoid especially with his E being a point and click.

Personally, I avoid playing tanks against Brand. My most successes playing against him have been with Nami.

Tahminatrix 1 votes

[{quoted}](name=IH DeamonDragon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=d6FiBbau,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2017-03-17T13:59:53.827+0000)

Tahm is good with a lot of health and, against a Brand, MR is your friend. Banshees Veil is a good buy against Brand for the passive shield. Locket will also give you to MR and an active shield to defend with. I'm also assuming you're starting with Relic Shield as your gold item, so upgrade that into Face of the Mountain for more shielding. Do not forget to use these actives. If their team has other mages aside from Brand also grab a Spirit Visage. I would highly recommend switching your keystone to Stoneborn Pact, and when it procs ping the opponent for the ADC to attack so you can make the most of it. Hide behind minions when you can to avoid the stun and dodge his W the best you can. There's not much you can do about the burn. Try to keep your team from clustering together, it makes his ult devastating. Like some others have already said, Tahm is not a great matchup against Brand. This is mostly because of his passive which (according to the LoL site) deals 2% of max health damage for 4 seconds and is super difficult to avoid especially with his E being a point and click.

Personally, I avoid playing tanks against Brand. My most successes playing against him have been with Nami.

I did switch to stoneborn pact but its pretty useless...after a Lucian dashed towards my Ashe I slowed him with tongue lash and applied stoneborn but Ashe didnt auto attack Lucian back...even when I pinged and typed in chat... instead she hits the enemy minions and rarely hits Lucian on accident with her arrow volley spell multi target spread thingy...

Maybe when adcs learn how stoneborn pact works or atleast learn how to retaliate during a trade...then it will be decent.

And yes I have been getting locket whenever I see brand on the enemy team....sometimes paired with merc treads depending on the rest of the comp..but it feels like he really out damages the active even when timed right...plus his cooldowns feel very low.......

And banshees veil feels pretty selfish on a tahm support.. i tried it and it doesnt really help since you have no mobility burst damage or hard burst cc (strong/hard cc that can be landed instantly...) so there really is no reason to tank a single spell that could have been an aoe..its not like tahm kench is an important target.....and his potential to do any form of his single target hard cc requires a long fight...one that banshees does not support ... but merc treads sorta does..

DarkDeamonDragon1 votes

Unfortunately if you get an adc that won't listen to your pings then yes the Pact is useless. Banshees is not all that selfish since you're the one on the front line tanking the skillshots or if you eat a teammate that was out of position to save them and get hit by cc. It's hard to carry a teammate to safety when you're stunned. That's just my opinion though.

Friendly Ram1 votes

item 3009 and pray. otherwise try and bait out his pillars. you'll be more of a babysitter then a engager that game but you can still make a difference.

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